Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis-07.txt> (IP Version 6 Addressing Architecture) to Internet Standard
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Subject: Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis-07.txt> (IP Version 6
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Le 21/02/2017 à 18:27, Job Snijders a écrit : > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 09:49:32AM +0900, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Job Snijders <job@ntt.net> wrote: >>> ps. The "Write a draft" argument is weak at best, since we are >>> already are discussing a draft (called >>> 'draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis-07.txt'), which is in IETF Last >>> call, which means it is in a place to discuss the contents of >>> that draft. No reason to kick the can down the road. >> >> I'm sorry, but that's really how it is. The text you dislike has >> been the standard for almost 20 years, and is it inappropriate to >> change it in the context of reclassifying this document from draft >> standard to Internet standard. > > Or, perhaps it is inappropiate for the -bis document to target > "Internet Standard" classification at this moment? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > > Especially when solidifying recommendations in an architecture > Internet Standard-to-be, the utmost care should be taken to verify > whether the paper reality (RFCs) and operational reality (what people > do, for $reasons) are aligned. > > In those years sufficient data has been collected to conclude that > /64 is not the "be all and end all". The current paragraph does not > account for staticly configured environments in which SLAAC plays no > role. > > Perhaps the following suggestion bridges the gap. > > ------- > > OLD: IPv6 unicast routing is based on prefixes of any valid length up > to 128 [BCP198]. For example, [RFC6164] standardises 127 bit > prefixes on inter-router point-to-point links. However, the > Interface ID of all unicast addresses, except those that start with > the binary value 000, is required to be 64 bits long. The rationale > for the 64 bit boundary in IPv6 addresses can be found in [RFC7421] > > NEW: IPv6 unicast routing is based on prefixes of any valid length up > to 128 [BCP198]. When using [SLAAC], [ILNP], or [NPT66] the Interface > ID of unicast addresses is required to be 64 bits long. In other use > cases different prefix sizes may be required. For example [RFC6164] > standardises 127 bit prefixes on inter-router point-to-point links. > For most use cases, prefix lengths of 64 bits is RECOMMENDED, unless > there are operational reasons not to do so. I agree with the NEW paragraph if Ethernet is mentioned, and if its last paragraph gets updates. I propose this: NEW NEW: > IPv6 unicast routing is based on prefixes of any valid length up to > 128 [BCP198]. When using [SLAAC]/[Ethernet], [ILNP], or [NPT66] the > Interface ID of unicast addresses is required to be 64 bits long. In > other use cases different prefix sizes may be required. For example > [RFC6164] standardises 127 bit prefixes on inter-router > point-to-point links. Prefix lengths of 64 bits were observed on > popular connections and are taught on IPv6 lectures. Prefix lengths > of 96 bits were observed at Virtual Machine providers. [note SLAAC alone can work with /65 too] > OLD: As noted in Section 2.4, all unicast addresses, except those > that with the binary value 000, Interface IDs are required to be 64 > bits long. > > NEW: *delete, its superfluous* I agree. But I dont know whether registries have not set this 000 apart for maybe 200 years later or so. (it may sound not serious, but I know there are serious public plans for such long term on other matters). Alex > > ------- > > Kind regards, > > Job > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative > Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >
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