Re: Martin Duke's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
"Zafar Ali (zali)" <zali@cisco.com> Wed, 02 June 2021 16:45 UTC
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From: "Zafar Ali (zali)" <zali@cisco.com>
To: Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
CC: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam@ietf.org>, "6man-chairs@ietf.org" <6man-chairs@ietf.org>, "ipv6@ietf.org" <ipv6@ietf.org>, Ole Trøan <ot@cisco.com>, "Zafar Ali (zali)" <zali@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Martin Duke's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Hi Martin, Many thanks for the proposed text; much appreciated! We have posted rev-11 to include your proposed text: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam-11.txt https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam-11 (see also the attached email) Please advise if you have any further comment. Thanks Regards … Zafar From: Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 12:32 PM To: "Zafar Ali (zali)" <zali@cisco.com> Cc: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam@ietf.org>, "6man-chairs@ietf.org" <6man-chairs@ietf.org>, "ipv6@ietf.org" <ipv6@ietf.org>, "ot@cisco.com" <ot@cisco.com> Subject: Re: Martin Duke's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) That helps a lot, thanks. I might add normative text to your proposed change The OAM process is expected to be located on the routing node processing the packet. Although the specification of the OAM process or the external controller operations are beyond the scope of this document, the OAM process SHOULD NOT be topologically distant from the routing node, as this is likely to create significant security and congestion issues." On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 12:06 PM Zafar Ali (zali) <zali@cisco.com<mailto:zali@cisco.com>> wrote: Hi Martin, Many thanks for your comments. Please see [ZA] in-line. Thanks Regards … Zafar From: Martin Duke via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org<mailto:noreply@ietf.org>> Reply-To: Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com<mailto:martin.h.duke@gmail.com>> Date: Monday, May 24, 2021 at 2:52 PM To: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org<mailto:iesg@ietf.org>> Cc: "draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam@ietf.org>" <draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam@ietf.org>>, "6man-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:6man-chairs@ietf.org>" <6man-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:6man-chairs@ietf.org>>, "ipv6@ietf.org<mailto:ipv6@ietf.org>" <ipv6@ietf.org<mailto:ipv6@ietf.org>>, "ot@cisco.com<mailto:ot@cisco.com>" <ot@cisco.com<mailto:ot@cisco.com>>, "ot@cisco.com<mailto:ot@cisco.com>" <ot@cisco.com<mailto:ot@cisco.com>> Subject: Martin Duke's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:alias-bounces@ietf.org>> Resent-To: <cfilsfil@cisco.com<mailto:cfilsfil@cisco.com>>, <satoru.matsushima@g.softbank.co.jp<mailto:satoru.matsushima@g.softbank.co.jp>>, <daniel.voyer@bell.ca<mailto:daniel.voyer@bell.ca>>, <mach.chen@huawei.com<mailto:mach.chen@huawei.com>>, <zali@cisco.com<mailto:zali@cisco.com>> Resent-Date: Monday, May 24, 2021 at 2:52 PM Martin Duke has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam-10: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I would like to clarify that when the pseudocode says "Send the copied packet, along with a timestamp to the OAM process for telemetry data collection and export," that this "process" is colocated on the router, and that this process further digests the data so that there is much less than 1 packet going out of the box per O-bit packet processed. If there is a case where each O-bit packet generates an entire packet going off the router to a controller or external OAM process, there are extremely unfortunate corner cases that are not sufficiently mitigated by rate-limiting. [ZA] You are right. In fact, this point is explicit mentioned in section 3.3, bullet 5 (processing at Node N4) [https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam-10#section-3.3]. “As part of processing the O-flag, it sends a timestamped copy of the packet to a local OAM process. “ The rest of the exporting is based on local policy at the router. To further clarify, we can add additional text in section 2.1.1 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam-10#section-2.1.1, as follows: Current Text: Specification of the OAM process or the external controller operations are beyond the scope of this document. Proposed Text: The OAM process is expected to be located on the routing node processing the packet, however the specification of the OAM process or the external controller operations are beyond the scope of this document. Would the above diffs address your comment? Please advise ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for addressing the TSVART comments (and to Magnus for the review) I see that some of the contributors are in common, but this would appear to have substantial overlap with https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-direct-export/. [ZA] Yes, IPPM DEX options do overlap with this functionality. [ZA] This specification describes how to provide that functionality with a single bit in the SR Header.
--- Begin Message ---A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam-11.txt has been successfully submitted by Zafar Ali and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam Revision: 11 Title: Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) in Segment Routing Networks with IPv6 Data plane (SRv6) Document date: 2021-06-02 Group: 6man Pages: 23 URL: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam-11.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam/ Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam-11 Abstract: This document describes how the existing IPv6 mechanisms for ping and traceroute can be used in an SRv6 network. The document also specifies the OAM flag in the Segment Routing Header (SRH) for performing controllable and predictable flow sampling from segment endpoints. In addition, the document describes how a centralized monitoring system performs a path continuity check between any nodes within an SRv6 domain. The IETF Secretariat--- End Message ---
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