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Re: RFC6085 update to rfc2464bis - Ethernet or WiFi?

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 11 January 2017 20:13 UTC

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Subject: Re: RFC6085 update to rfc2464bis - Ethernet or WiFi?
To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>, Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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On 12/01/2017 08:07, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> On 11 Jan 2017, at 20:00, Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This is WiFi, it is not Ethernet.  It is not the same.  An IPv6-over-WiFi document remains to be written.
> 
> That’s actually not true in real life.
> 
> “IPv6 over Ethernet” in reality is a shorthand for “IPv6 over 802.1 bridged links that collectively try to look like Ethernet but don’t always succeed very well”.  WiFi is part of that world.

Indeed. I don't care how it works under the covers: code that runs over Ethernet runs
identically over WiFi. OK, maybe some spectrum is wasted, but for most people most of the
time that simply doesn't matter.

   Brian

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