Re: draft-baker-6man-multiprefix-default-route-00.txt is a newdraft
marcelo bagnulo braun <marcelo@it.uc3m.es> Mon, 12 November 2007 16:33 UTC
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From: marcelo bagnulo braun <marcelo@it.uc3m.es>
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Subject: Re: draft-baker-6man-multiprefix-default-route-00.txt is a newdraft
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Hi Havard, El 12/11/2007, a las 17:27, Havard Eidnes escribió: >>> AFAIU, you are essentially proposing to perform source address >>> based routing by the hosts and by the routers in a multiprefix >>> site, is that correct? >> >> I don't like the term, because I first do a destination lookup and >> only look up the source address in certain cases. Kind of like the >> previous comment on source routing, which in IEEE 802.5, DSR, and RFC >> 791 IP means that the source specifies all or part of the routing >> path. I think the term mis-states the case. >> >> But yes, in certain cases where there is a multipath route, the point >> is that if the datagram is handed to the wrong ISP and the ISP is >> doing ingress filtering, the datagram will be dropped, and hence I >> suggest that we direct it toward the right ISP. > > But still, you appear to propose to fundamentally change the > forwarding process by inserting a relatively complex lookup > operation into per-packet forwarding, and I think such a change > needs quite a bit more in terms of justification. > > Instead, my inclination would be to "solve" this problem in a > much simpler manner, simply by declaring it a configuration > error. A site which receives prefixes from more than a single > provider is clearly multihomed, and needs to have its providers > make appropriate exceptions to a strict "I will only accept > packets with source addresses from within the prefix I delegate" > rule. Either that, or the domain in question needs to ensure via > a combination of address selection and routing policy that one > avoids being subjected to (presumably unwanted) RPF failures. > but which type of sites do you think will have such configuration? I mean, i would expect that very small multihomed sites may end up with this configuration, e.g. a home network with dsl and CATV access. So in this case, i am not sure if the trust needed to release the ingress filters will exist, so i am not sure the isp will agree to release them Regards, marcelo > Regards, > > - Håvard > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 --------------------------------------------------------------------
- Fwd: draft-baker-6man-multiprefix-default-route-0… Fred Baker
- Re: draft-baker-6man-multiprefix-default-route-00… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: draft-baker-6man-multiprefix-default-route-00… Fred Baker
- Re: draft-baker-6man-multiprefix-default-route-00… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: draft-baker-6man-multiprefix-default-route-00… Havard Eidnes
- Re: draft-baker-6man-multiprefix-default-route-00… marcelo bagnulo braun
- RE: draft-baker-6man-multiprefix-default-route-00… Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: draft-baker-6man-multiprefix-default-route-00… Fred Baker
- Re: draft-baker-6man-multiprefix-default-route-00… Pekka Savola
- Re: draft-baker-6man-multiprefix-default-route-00… marcelo bagnulo braun
- RE: draft-baker-6man-multiprefix-default-route-00… James Carlson
- RE: draft-baker-6man-multiprefix-default-route-00… Manfredi, Albert E
- RE: draft-baker-6man-multiprefix-default-route-00… James Carlson
- Re: draft-baker-6man-multiprefix-default-route-00… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: draft-baker-6man-multiprefix-default-route-00… James Carlson
- Re: Fwd: draft-baker-6man-multiprefix-default-rou… Brian E Carpenter