RE: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format
<mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> Fri, 24 August 2012 08:50 UTC
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From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com
To: BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:50:20 +0200
Subject: RE: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format
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Dear all, FYI, a new version of this draft has been edited to take into account comments received in mboned ML. The main changes in -04 are as follows: o Indicate the draft update RFC3306 as suggested by T. Chown. We didn't added a note about rfc3956 as we are defining a bit reserved in 3306. o Because of the previous comment, the wording has been changed to indicate we are reserving a bit in the unicast prefix-based address not reserving a prefix for ASM. The rationale behind that is to encourage implementations check the value of the reserved bit rather than matching a prefix. o Clarify the meaning of "x" as requested by Behcet. o Behcet asked to reserve a /17 or /12 for ASM. We didn't considered that comment because we received in the past comments arguing that reserving /17 is a waste of multicast address space. This is documented in Section 3.1 of the draft. o Implemented some wording changes suggested by P. Koch. o Update the section with examples. A detailed diff is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-04. Cheers, Med >-----Message d'origine----- >De : ipv6-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] De >la part de mohamed.boucadair@orange.com >Envoyé : jeudi 16 août 2012 07:45 >À : Bob Hinden >Cc : ipv6@ietf.org; >draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format@tools.ietf.org; >Jacni Qin; Stig Venaas >Objet : RE: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format > >Dear Bob, > >The main changes in -03 are as follows: > >* Abandon the M-bit idea to represent IPv4-embedded IPv6 >multicast prefix > >* Explain the rationale for selecting a /96 (SSM) and /20 (ASM) > >* Reserve two prefixes to be used for the algorithmic >translation of an IPv6 multicast address into an IPv4 one; and >vice versa >(1) ff3x:0:8000::/96 for SSM >(2) ffxx:8000::/20 for ASM > >* The document does not update RFC4291; i.e., no change to the >IPv6 addressing architecture. > >Cheers, >Med > >>-----Message d'origine----- >>De : Bob Hinden [mailto:bob.hinden@gmail.com] >>Envoyé : mardi 14 août 2012 17:33 >>À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP >>Cc : Bob Hinden; ipv6@ietf.org; Jacni Qin; >>draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format@tools.ietf.org; >>Stig Venaas >>Objet : Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format >> >>Med, >> >>The new draft appears to have many changes from the previous >>version. It would be helpful if you could describe the >>changes. This is usually done in the draft itself, but I >>didn't see it in -03. >> >>Thanks, >>Bob >> >>On Aug 14, 2012, at 2:09 AM, <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> >><mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I'm initiating this thread in the hope of understanding the >>> objections from the 6man WG and hopefully to make some progress for >>> this document. To initiate the discussion, below are provided some >>> preliminary Q/A: >>> >>> What is the scope of this document? >>> The document specifies an algorithmic translation of an IPv6 >>> multicast address to a corresponding IPv4 multicast address, and >>> vice versa. The document reserves two IPv6 multicast prefixes to >>> be used for that purpose. >>> >>> What are these reserved prefixes? >>> * ff3x:0:8000::/96 for SSM >>> * ffxx:8000::/20 for ASM >>> >>> Does this document update IPv6 addressing architecture? >>> No. >>> >>> Is there a unicast counterpart of this proposal? >>> Yes, RFC6052. >>> >>> What is the problem to be solved? >>> There are several use cases as detailed in [I-D.ietf-mboned-v4v6- >>> mcast-ps]. In particular, the following use cases are of >>> interest: >>> 1. An IPv6-only receiver wants to receive multicast content from >>> an IPv4-only source (6-4). >>> 2. An IPv4 receiver wants to join a multicast group in IPv4 >>> domain via an IPv6-only network (4-6-4). >>> >>> Are there solutions for the unicast counterpart of these use cases? >>> Yes; various solutions including: >>> 1. 6-4: RFC6146 >>> 2. 4-6-4: RFC6333, RFC6346, ... >>> >>> The latest version of the document is available at: >>> >>https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-addr >ess-format-03. >>> >>> Comments and suggestions are more than welcome. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Med >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list >>> ipv6@ietf.org >>> Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >IETF IPv6 working group mailing list >ipv6@ietf.org >Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >
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- Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format Marshall Eubanks
- Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format Bob Hinden
- Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format Tom Taylor
- Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format Marshall Eubanks
- RE: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format mohamed.boucadair
- Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format Bob Hinden
- RE: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format mohamed.boucadair
- Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format Bob Hinden
- Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format Jon Steen
- Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format Tom Taylor
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- Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format Bob Hinden
- Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format Stig Venaas
- RE: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format mohamed.boucadair
- RE: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format mohamed.boucadair
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