Re: [IPv6] Working Group Last Call for <draft-ietf-6man-pio-pflag>

Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk> Mon, 08 April 2024 13:52 UTC

Return-Path: <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk>
X-Original-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED55CC14F739 for <ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 8 Apr 2024 06:52:55 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.097
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=jisc.ac.uk
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n4qrlBB4Cg7q for <ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 8 Apr 2024 06:52:51 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from EUR02-VI1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-vi1eur02on2123.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.107.241.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36106C14F736 for <ipv6@ietf.org>; Mon, 8 Apr 2024 06:52:50 -0700 (PDT)
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=ZLUFW0twSQPnToVbV/KON08f4rvNZLrQhBqJytrJVO/TIBgG33iBOLc2K9BMxtT9PbNK9C0fp9MVFxWwnE4PvYjSRlZM3IormcsfC4EiPknGzx+IUESsDuuEXe5yzHjZwPe4s7FdQwWN47588VR3sZPsODcSqQqSH5fbF2hBe54UlLFiaMyCgWLZfgS/kStG1nckiwQEJqDTzfm1nlTAzYrCY74yd5u24P2MwEajQX7ALEEoS8aoaIwRm8D8h1eMk9SGU4MG5zXORKCuCOCp3shbi/GGk9B6YK1MM6QjhKEJfZxeGwjgZxBFoG4dWMtM/hi2ao3v2JjFWsaFgIRK1g==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1; bh=ER+asMx0xMLvVZkHuvWT/1CzDtlnI3rH0Dlj4Gd9KyY=; b=P02nUNu9u0aCD12GG4qEApMKUHFOj41rNRbve3MZ14AwTpVcZ3Zp9H80OhIebqFrBxSgr0bUm7t+gDVXcco6gv1oHzCVurCwHyYumbR5GVuiy9qheASMM1N+pV8IeUPIe4HC5QwvwrW+yPj3IX38hxAvny/zPIADrs3oxZCROhUg/K+s9l8ggVC+HDbYM/jSRI5mO5quV8jJ2UnR/fw3aIcv40MCSTxDydE36NpW0ANimA9uSqs3A5SnVqvI8twR+kx+/a3yNjRQF5Vs9ahMz9vlJh8cXrMydaqDzpZmBnbSmLIRvJ9KQsGxugpnABSVZoHAwcr6YFtBYN5ZGZhRPg==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=jisc.ac.uk; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=jisc.ac.uk; dkim=pass header.d=jisc.ac.uk; arc=none
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jisc.ac.uk; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=ER+asMx0xMLvVZkHuvWT/1CzDtlnI3rH0Dlj4Gd9KyY=; b=CG6mdxHrVZYjOVtd1/L+ZuCz3eHl8Ni68M61ItAkONasnGcK3+IYMxy68riCOjXLmmkWNQIQSPMXjCb2FjozVvJ+YiYYLu7FeaVrzgBS4KnoVarp7Q7tEtPATJW+Mn5i4x/owXJ+JzXtMmxhKZzPB2o+PwUCRWe31G3+UUzjnCawx+NT+PY3Q2RYFatOmuFyHQF4GM37vmaCKSS6MY9ObMFIMnlywaD4SFyFrWbF85FbHh98ISzxW15+PfGRSMqFEBqJGEc3/eSA/xOKDsZdiLO4ya0cMEMFCn/vO8L4vbmWkvWitOb8QhCddPPSd/tiAmEK105TXiHiO6hWtczgPA==
Received: from DB9PR07MB7771.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (2603:10a6:10:2a6::15) by AM7PR07MB6440.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (2603:10a6:20b:131::12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.7409.46; Mon, 8 Apr 2024 13:52:47 +0000
Received: from DB9PR07MB7771.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::4850:b7b9:4466:3733]) by DB9PR07MB7771.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::4850:b7b9:4466:3733%7]) with mapi id 15.20.7409.042; Mon, 8 Apr 2024 13:52:46 +0000
From: Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk>
To: Jen Linkova <furry13@gmail.com>
CC: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [IPv6] Working Group Last Call for <draft-ietf-6man-pio-pflag>
Thread-Index: AQHahtGPP9Uwxp4Z90WlBrj8geiivrFYmlqAgAWKRwCAADkKgIAAAdAAgAAK6AA=
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2024 13:52:46 +0000
Message-ID: <5E5F7648-4F15-4C60-88E8-86512FBCE3A7@jisc.ac.uk>
References: <216FF112-79A0-4FEE-BC7A-F32F1F412E6D@gmail.com> <14755.1712264803@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <27CA3FE6-F067-42CF-96F3-6B20EF073143@jisc.ac.uk> <CAFU7BAS117rynrkTzuV_73HjZgWRgvOusTtJPHbEm=5pUV0ZPA@mail.gmail.com> <CAFU7BARLJ35FdyoCaYPUDy4Mi2wWunJkW7mu-d756gLtc+Dt-Q@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAFU7BARLJ35FdyoCaYPUDy4Mi2wWunJkW7mu-d756gLtc+Dt-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.500.171.1.1)
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: DB9PR07MB7771:EE_|AM7PR07MB6440:EE_
x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1
x-ms-exchange-antispam-relay: 0
x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 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
x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:DB9PR07MB7771.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFS:(13230031)(376005)(366007)(1800799015); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102;
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-chunkcount: 1
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-0: 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
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_5E5F76484F154C6088E886512FBCE3A7jiscacuk_"
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginatorOrg: jisc.ac.uk
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: DB9PR07MB7771.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 66f177cd-8a6a-447a-4606-08dc57d32c1d
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 08 Apr 2024 13:52:46.9349 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 48f9394d-8a14-4d27-82a6-f35f12361205
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: kNdvaEz3uM4VBbwzNkqdZfERYshqAZqQLEIH4GvpY4EgtqeYDwZcm1g15qQxFKKZ9abhEM8NS3CM8Xdn7PpGvg==
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM7PR07MB6440
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/oRieQ-SwXDlNVE66h3SBXH6sjO0>
Subject: Re: [IPv6] Working Group Last Call for <draft-ietf-6man-pio-pflag>
X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" <ipv6.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ipv6>, <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/>
List-Post: <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6>, <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2024 13:52:56 -0000

Hi Jen,

On 8 Apr 2024, at 14:13, Jen Linkova <furry13@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 11:07 PM Jen Linkova <furry13@gmail.com> wrote:
As an aside I was also surprised that RFC 4861 doesn’t say “Updated by RFC 6275” in its header.

Good catch. [chair hat on] I guess we need to do smth about that - I
also missed the fact the Reserved field is 5, not 6 bits, as RFC 6275
is not linked.

Ah, I stand corrected. There was errata about that:
https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5083
and https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8425.html

So, strictly speaking, as RFC8425 updates RFC4861 to create the
registry, this draft probably doesn't even need to update RFC4861.
That makes everything simpler by just eliminating Section 7.1 ;)

I think my headache is easing now, this makes sense.

I missed the “updated by RFC 8425” as I was looking at the HTML rendered version of RFC 4861 at
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4861.html
rather than the data tracker version at
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc4861/
where you can see RFC 8425 (and RFC 9131) listed which are missing on the HTML rendered version.
That’s probably something to point the tools team at, either ensure all updating RFCs are listed, or list none like the text and PDF versions (personally I’d prefer all versions to list all updating RFCs).

Anyway I’d agree that we can now simplify section 7.1 in your draft by pointing at
https://www.iana.org/assignments/icmpv6-parameters/icmpv6-parameters.xhtml#ipv6-neighbor-discovery-prefix-information-options
and add your draft as an RFC alongside RFC 8425 there with bit 3 for the P flag.
You already pointed at RFC 8425 in the IANA considerations section :)

Tim