Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal-ra-option>
Philip Homburg <pch-ipv6-ietf-7@u-1.phicoh.com> Wed, 22 September 2021 09:45 UTC
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:45:13 +0200
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>The RA / DHCPv6 split we have today (excepting addresses in DHCPv6, and DNS >in RAs) aligns with both the system and network role boundaries and the >Internet protocol layer model. There seems to a notion promoted by the proponents of RAs that hosts do not need unique, per host configurable default routers. Obviously, in it's current form, RA cannot provide that. At the same time, there are networks that a decade or longer have had the same IP address as default router. Somehow proponents of RA claim that it is very important to have fate sharing. Even though in practice this does not offer anything to hosts. The fate sharing provided by a router not sending RAs happens on a time scale (tens of minutes) that is not suitable for today's environment. In practice, hosts have to rely on reachability etection in ND to determine if a default router can be used or not. So instead of creating operational flexiblity where operators can decide how to run their networks, the result of this working group seems to be to try to kill all concepts that don't fit into the RA mold. In don't think this draft is a solution though. We need well thought out and well written standards. Not an openended system where the real protocol is just a custom created by dominant parties.
- Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal-ra-… Bob Hinden
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Nick Hilliard
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Carsten Bormann
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Erik Kline
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Jen Linkova
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Jen Linkova
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Jen Linkova
- RE: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Philip Homburg
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Michael Richardson
- RE: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Vasilenko Eduard
- RE: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Jen Linkova
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Nick Hilliard
- RE: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- RE: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Bob Hinden
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Tommy Pauly
- RE: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Lorenzo Colitti
- RE: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Lorenzo Colitti
- RE: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Nick Hilliard
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… otroan
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Bob Hinden
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Carsten Bormann
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Ole Troan
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Nick Hilliard
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… otroan
- RE: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Alexandre Petrescu
- RE: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Bob Hinden
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… otroan
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Timothy Winters
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Bob Hinden
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Timothy Winters
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Bob Hinden
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Timothy Winters
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Bob Hinden
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Erik Kline
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Erik Kline
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Ted Lemon
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Ole Troan
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Ole Troan
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Jen Linkova
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Ted Lemon
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Ted Lemon
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Ted Lemon
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Carsten Bormann
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Nick Hilliard
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Fernando Gont
- RE: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… otroan
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Nick Hilliard
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Fernando Gont
- RE: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Ole Troan
- RE: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Mark Smith
- RE: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Gyan Mishra
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Mark Smith
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Dale W. Carder
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Nick Hilliard
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Philip Homburg
- RE: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Vasilenko Eduard
- RE: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Vasilenko Eduard
- RE: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Vasilenko Eduard
- RE: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Philip Homburg
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Philip Homburg
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Philip Homburg
- RE: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Vasilenko Eduard
- RE: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Vasilenko Eduard
- RE: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Bob Hinden
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Mark Smith
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Philip Homburg
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Philip Homburg
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for <draft-troan-6man-universal… Philip Homburg