Re: [irs-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ward-irs-framework-00.txt
Susan Hares <susan.hares@huawei.com> Tue, 31 July 2012 01:18 UTC
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From: Susan Hares <susan.hares@huawei.com>
To: "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>, "irs-discuss@ietf.org" <irs-discuss@ietf.org>
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Joel and irs-folks: +1 on Joel. Beyond your comments, the requirement prioritization of the interworking of these interfaces is not clearly delineated in this work. This type of prioritization and sequencing is key to multi-interfaces operation on the monitoring, configuration or insertion of information into the depth. In addition, if you are going to do configuration with roll-forward/roll-back - you need a transaction based processing. Therefore, you've skipped even requiring the hard problems. Is this just the -00.draft? Sue -----Original Message----- From: irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Joel M. Halpern Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 3:15 PM To: irs-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ward-irs-framework-00.txt I am finding this document quite confusing. The primary confusion is that the document first says that it is about information that can not be manipulated with existing systems, and then proceeds to give a list of use cases all of which can be manipulated with existing systems at a suitable degree of abstraction. As a lesser confusion, the document says that "streaming" is important, but then describes "streaming" as "fast, interactive access." That is not streaming. And depending upon what one means by interactive, plenty of systems provide "fest, interactive access." I realize the document later goes on tot talk about speed and frequency of state updates. But that section simply reasserts the earlier terms withotu better description or justification. Yours, Joel On 7/30/2012 2:08 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > > Title : Interface to the Routing System Framework > Author(s) : Alia Atlas > Thomas Nadeau > Dave Ward > Filename : draft-ward-irs-framework-00.txt > Pages : 21 > Date : 2012-07-30 > > Abstract: > This document describes a framework for a standard, programmatic > interface for full-duplex, streaming state transfer in and out of the > Internet's routing system. It lists the information that might be > exchanged over the interface, and describes the uses of an interface > to the Internet routing system. > _______________________________________________ irs-discuss mailing list irs-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss
- Re: [irs-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ward-irs-fram… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [irs-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ward-irs-fram… Susan Hares
- Re: [irs-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ward-irs-fram… Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ward-irs-fram… Susan Hares
- Re: [irs-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ward-irs-fram… Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ward-irs-fram… Susan Hares
- Re: [irs-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ward-irs-fram… Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ward-irs-fram… Joel M. Halpern