Re: [irtf-discuss] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-perkins-irtf-code-of-conduct-00.txt

[S Moonesamy <[e-mail]>]

Hi Toerless, Colin,
At 12:25 PM 23-10-2023, Toerless Eckert wrote:
>Thanks, Colin
>
>a) I think it would be great if IRTF would practice an open and transparent
>process and also discuss this document on irtf-discuss, even though 
>i am not sure
>if this is required for IRTF documents such as this one.
>
>b) Given how IETF participants are likely the biggest possible IRTF 
>participants,
>even if not necessarily as contributors but hopefully as more than welcome
>commenters, it would be probably helpfull to not only write:
>
>" Compared to the IETF equivalent [RFC7154], this IRTF code of conduct
>   reflects those differences in emphasis between the two organisations. "
>
>But maybe elaborate on those core differences as a quick "executive summary"
>for IETF contributors. Even though it might constitute some degree 
>of duplication
>over the prior text.
>
>c) I am not sure about the exact administrative and organizational 
>relationship
>between IETF and IRTF, but i hope that wrt. code of conduct it 
>should make sense
>to think of a common code of conduct across both of them and then specific
>code of conduct aspects that apply only to standards (group) work 
>and/or only to
>research (group) work. But it seems we do not have such a common 
>code of conduct.
>
>In it's absence i wonder if the IRTF code of conduct should not consider
>to explicitly inherit the IETF code of conduct and explicitly 
>describe differences.
>I understand that that would be more work, but it would have the benefit of
>then also automatically inheriting any changes in IETF code of conduct that
>is also applicable to IRTF to the IRTF.
>
>Right now it seems like its more the opposite: The text about 
>honesty specifically
>towards AI-tools is of course equally applicable to IETF, and hence investing
>the work of thinking what a modernized common ietf+irtf code-of-conduct should
>include might be better spent than trying to first write (only) an IRTF-only
>code of conduct.

I quoted all the comments from Toreless as it may be useful for 
people reading the thread.  He raised a good question; would be 
possible to find some commonality across streams?

The heading of Section 2 of the draft is "conduct".  The text in that 
section is about harassment.

Some of the text in Section 3 is along the lines of what is in RFC 
7154.  There isn't any mention of imagery in RFC 7154.

Sections 4 and 5 are more specific to the IRTF.

I sometimes see a disclosure/declaration of interests in an academic 
paper.  I could not find that in the draft.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy