Re: [irtf-discuss] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-perkins-irtf-code-of-conduct-00.txt

[Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]>]

Thanks, Colin

a) I think it would be great if IRTF would practice an open and transparent 
process and also discuss this document on irtf-discuss, even though i am not sure
if this is required for IRTF documents such as this one.

b) Given how IETF participants are likely the biggest possible IRTF participants,
even if not necessarily as contributors but hopefully as more than welcome
commenters, it would be probably helpfull to not only write:

" Compared to the IETF equivalent [RFC7154], this IRTF code of conduct
  reflects those differences in emphasis between the two organisations. "

But maybe elaborate on those core differences as a quick "executive summary"
for IETF contributors. Even though it might constitute some degree of duplication
over the prior text.

c) I am not sure about the exact administrative and organizational relationship
between IETF and IRTF, but i hope that wrt. code of conduct it should make sense
to think of a common code of conduct across both of them and then specific
code of conduct aspects that apply only to standards (group) work and/or only to
research (group) work. But it seems we do not have such a common code of conduct.

In it's absence i wonder if the IRTF code of conduct should not consider
to explicitly inherit the IETF code of conduct and explicitly describe differences.
I understand that that would be more work, but it would have the benefit of 
then also automatically inheriting any changes in IETF code of conduct that
is also applicable to IRTF to the IRTF.

Right now it seems like its more the opposite: The text about honesty specifically
towards AI-tools is of course equally applicable to IETF, and hence investing
the work of thinking what a modernized common ietf+irtf code-of-conduct should
include might be better spent than trying to first write (only) an IRTF-only
code of conduct.

Cheers
    Toerless

On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 05:58:38PM +0100, Colin Perkins wrote:
> IRTF,
> 
> The IRSG has been discussing a draft **IRTF code of conduct**. This is now
> available at
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-perkins-irtf-code-of-conduct/
> 
> Feedback on this draft code of conduct is solicited and should be sent to
> the IRSG at <[e-mail]>.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Colin Perkins
> IRTF Chair
> 
> 
> 
> Forwarded message:
> 
> > From: [e-mail]
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Subject: I-D Action: draft-perkins-irtf-code-of-conduct-00.txt
> > Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 09:02:46 -0700
> > 
> > Internet-Draft draft-perkins-irtf-code-of-conduct-00.txt is now
> > available.
> > 
> >    Title:   IRTF Code of Conduct
> >    Author:  Colin Perkins
> >    Name:    draft-perkins-irtf-code-of-conduct-00.txt
> >    Pages:   8
> >    Dates:   2023-10-23
> > 
> > Abstract:
> > 
> >    This document describes the code of conduct for participants in the
> >    Internet Research Task Force (IRTF).
> > 
> >    The IRTF believes that research is most effective when done in an
> >    open and inclusive forum that encourages diversity of ideas and
> >    diversity of participation.  Through this code of conduct, the IRTF
> >    will continue to strive to create and maintain an environment that
> >    encourages broad participation, and one in which people from
> >    different backgrounds are treated with dignity, decency, and respect
> > 
> > The IETF datatracker status page for this Internet-Draft is:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-perkins-irtf-code-of-conduct/
> > 
> > There is also an HTML version available at:
> > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-perkins-irtf-code-of-conduct-00.html
> > 
> > Internet-Drafts are also available by rsync at:
> > rsync.ietf.org::internet-drafts
> > 
> > 
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> Colin Perkins
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