Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded property
Neil Jenkins <neilj@fastmail.com> Wed, 19 April 2017 05:57 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded property
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The initial JMAP design was only interested in the system flags, so having the separate properties made sense. But given we want to add full support for custom IMAP flags (and reuse the IANA registry), I think having the system ones in a different format is going to end up causing pain down the line. We could make properties for the keywords currently in the IANA registry, but this would clearly cause headaches as more are standardised down the line. So I agree we should change to just a single "keywords" property, and reuse the keyword names from IMAP. This means we would remove the "isUnread", "isFlagged", "isAnswered" and "isDraft" properties from the Message object and introduce a single "keywords" property (with respectively "\Seen" (flipped meaning), "\Flagged", "\Answered" and "\Draft" keywords, as per IMAP). The main downside is I think is this is slightly less accessible for newcomers who haven't been exposed to IMAP, but this is probably outweighed by the benefits already discussed. Do we have consensus on this? The last few messages all seem to be in favour of making this change. If so, I'm happy to update the spec and call this issue closed. In terms of representation, do we agree on an Object type, with the keywords as the keys (and a boolean `true` as the value (as discussed in a previous email in this thread)? Neil.
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Neil Jhaveri
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Neil Jenkins
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Chris Newman
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… HANSEN, TONY L
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Neil Jenkins
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Neil Jenkins
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Adrien de Croy
- [Jmap] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on charter-i… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Neil Jhaveri
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Neil Jenkins
- [Jmap] message vs. annotation Dave Crocker
- [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded property Benoit Tellier
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Benoit Tellier
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Chris Newman
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Benoit Tellier
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Benoit Tellier
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Chris Newman
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Neil Jenkins
- Re: [Jmap] message vs. annotation Neil Jenkins
- Re: [Jmap] message vs. annotation Ted Lemon
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Adrien de Croy
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Neil Jenkins
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Benoit Tellier
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Chris Newman
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… HANSEN, TONY L
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Bron Gondwana
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Neil Jenkins
- Re: [Jmap] Adding the Message::isForwarded proper… Alexey Melnikov