Re: Possible Shutdown of L3VPN

[Ben Niven-Jenkins <[e-mail]>]

On 24 Jan 2012, at 08:32, IJsbrand Wijnands wrote:

> Hi Ben,
> 
> I agree with Wim, Thomas and Maria.
> 
> Just keep the L3VPN WG active until the WG documents are done and the individual submissions have been sorted out. 
> 
>> I guess the question is really whether there needs to be an L3VPN group in order to progress drafts such as the one you mention?
> 
> Don't you think it helps to have a focused group to help process it?

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Yes but one could argue that L3VPN isn't performing that role currently. For example I know of other WGs that follow a process where at least 5 people that aren't the authors must review a draft before it is progressed, if we were to instigate a similar rule in L3VPN I suspect few, if any, drafts would meet the criteria for progression. 

IMO L3VPN no longer has a critical mass of active participants that help review, reach consensus and process documents.

Ben

> 
> Thx,
> 
> Ice.
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Ben
>> 
>>> 
>>> Maria
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf
>>>> Of Ben Niven-Jenkins
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:59 AM
>>>> To: Henderickx, Wim (Wim)
>>>> Cc: L3VPN; Stewart Bryant (stbryant)
>>>> Subject: Re: Possible Shutdown of L3VPN
>>>> 
>>>> Wim,
>>>> 
>>>> On 22 Jan 2012, at 06:11, Henderickx, Wim (Wim) wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Why don't we keep the WG open until the WG drafts are finished?
>>>> 
>>>> Because there's nothing like a deadline to motivate people :-)
>>>> 
>>>> If it's decided to wind the WG down, what I would expect is that it
>>>> wouldn't just happen overnight but that we would produce a 'plan' for
>>>> closure within a reasonable timeframe (say 6 months) where we would aim
>>>> to finish what we have on our plate first, if possible.
>>>> 
>>>> Regarding WG drafts, currently we have 3:
>>>> -> draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-wildcards, which has just gone through WG LC
>>>> and about to be sent to IESG for publication
>>>> -> draft-ietf-l3vpn-acceptown-community, which we will initiate a WG LC
>>>> on shortly
>>>> -> draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-bidir, which the authors say needs another
>>>> revision before being ready for WG LC
>>>> 
>>>> So getting those finished relatively quickly before closure seems
>>>> achievable.
>>>> 
>>>> I'd personally also like the combined extranet draft produced before
>>>> closure but again I'd expect that should be possible relatively quickly
>>>> too.
>>>> 
>>>> Ben
>>>> 
>>>>> We can probably do this on the mailing list and don't need a
>>>> face2face meeting, but as such you keep the WG alive until the work is
>>>> done.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On
>>>> Behalf Of Marshall Eubanks
>>>>> Sent: zaterdag 21 januari 2012 14:38
>>>>> To: L3VPN; Stewart Bryant (stbryant); [e-mail]
>>>>> Subject: Possible Shutdown of L3VPN
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear WG members;
>>>>> 
>>>>> With the Paris meeting coming up, we felt that you should know that
>>>>> there has been serious discussion of shutting down the L3VPN working
>>>>> group, both because of a decline of work in the group, and because of
>>>> the
>>>>> expected new work to come from the DC effort is likely to require a
>>>>> new working group with a different focus.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If the WG were to be wound down, the basic choices for existing
>>>> drafts are
>>>>> 
>>>>> - to go to last call with the drafts that are ready for it or
>>>>> 
>>>>> - to put outstanding WG drafts into another WG, such as MPLS, or
>>>>> 
>>>>> - to have the ADs sponsor "orphaned" drafts that don't fit in another
>>>>> WG as individual submissions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have polled the current draft authors, and do not see any
>>>>> insurmountable difficulties with this process.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There doesn't at present seem to be enough business to warrant
>>>> another
>>>>> L3VPN meeting in Paris. However, we feel that the future of the WG
>>>>> (and of the work)
>>>>> should be discussed in person, so we plan to request time on the
>>>>> agenda to discuss this at
>>>>> the RTGAREA meeting.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If anyone feels that closing L3VPN would be a mistake, now is the
>>>> time
>>>>> to speak up.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Marshall Eubanks / Ben Niven-Jenkins
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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