Re: Possible Shutdown of L3VPN

[IJsbrand Wijnands <[e-mail]>]

Ben,

> Yes but one could argue that L3VPN isn't performing that role currently. For example I know of other WGs that follow a process where at least 5 people that aren't the authors must review a draft before it is progressed, if we were to instigate a similar rule in L3VPN I suspect few, if any, drafts would meet the criteria for progression. 
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> IMO L3VPN no longer has a critical mass of active participants that help review, reach consensus and process documents.

And by moving it to a different WG you think it will get better?

Maybe there is also a role for the WG chairs to solicit input and help drive documents through the WG. But I get the impression the chairs are more interested in killing it.

Thx,

Ice.

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> Ben
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>> Thx,
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>> Ice.
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>>> Ben
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>>>> Maria
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>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Ben Niven-Jenkins
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:59 AM
>>>>> To: Henderickx, Wim (Wim)
>>>>> Cc: L3VPN; Stewart Bryant (stbryant)
>>>>> Subject: Re: Possible Shutdown of L3VPN
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wim,
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 22 Jan 2012, at 06:11, Henderickx, Wim (Wim) wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Why don't we keep the WG open until the WG drafts are finished?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Because there's nothing like a deadline to motivate people :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> If it's decided to wind the WG down, what I would expect is that it
>>>>> wouldn't just happen overnight but that we would produce a 'plan' for
>>>>> closure within a reasonable timeframe (say 6 months) where we would aim
>>>>> to finish what we have on our plate first, if possible.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regarding WG drafts, currently we have 3:
>>>>> -> draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-wildcards, which has just gone through WG LC
>>>>> and about to be sent to IESG for publication
>>>>> -> draft-ietf-l3vpn-acceptown-community, which we will initiate a WG LC
>>>>> on shortly
>>>>> -> draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-bidir, which the authors say needs another
>>>>> revision before being ready for WG LC
>>>>> 
>>>>> So getting those finished relatively quickly before closure seems
>>>>> achievable.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'd personally also like the combined extranet draft produced before
>>>>> closure but again I'd expect that should be possible relatively quickly
>>>>> too.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ben
>>>>> 
>>>>>> We can probably do this on the mailing list and don't need a
>>>>> face2face meeting, but as such you keep the WG alive until the work is
>>>>> done.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Marshall Eubanks
>>>>>> Sent: zaterdag 21 januari 2012 14:38
>>>>>> To: L3VPN; Stewart Bryant (stbryant); [e-mail]
>>>>>> Subject: Possible Shutdown of L3VPN
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear WG members;
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> With the Paris meeting coming up, we felt that you should know that
>>>>>> there has been serious discussion of shutting down the L3VPN working
>>>>>> group, both because of a decline of work in the group, and because of
>>>>> the
>>>>>> expected new work to come from the DC effort is likely to require a
>>>>>> new working group with a different focus.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If the WG were to be wound down, the basic choices for existing
>>>>> drafts are
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - to go to last call with the drafts that are ready for it or
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - to put outstanding WG drafts into another WG, such as MPLS, or
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - to have the ADs sponsor "orphaned" drafts that don't fit in another
>>>>>> WG as individual submissions.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We have polled the current draft authors, and do not see any
>>>>>> insurmountable difficulties with this process.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There doesn't at present seem to be enough business to warrant
>>>>> another
>>>>>> L3VPN meeting in Paris. However, we feel that the future of the WG
>>>>>> (and of the work)
>>>>>> should be discussed in person, so we plan to request time on the
>>>>>> agenda to discuss this at
>>>>>> the RTGAREA meeting.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If anyone feels that closing L3VPN would be a mistake, now is the
>>>>> time
>>>>>> to speak up.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Marshall Eubanks / Ben Niven-Jenkins
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