[lemonade] Discovery of available conversions in CONVERT: poll results
Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com> Sat, 09 February 2008 16:19 UTC
Return-Path: <lemonade-bounces@ietf.org>
X-Original-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietfarch-lemonade-archive@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C51A28C9AB; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 08:19:50 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.233
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.233 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.226, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24=0.992, J_CHICKENPOX_74=0.6]
Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fpw938MkTj7I; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 08:19:48 -0800 (PST)
Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD05328C985; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 08:19:48 -0800 (PST)
X-Original-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: lemonade@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9C628C985 for <lemonade@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 08:19:47 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rJmN5B5huH1B for <lemonade@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 08:19:46 -0800 (PST)
Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA04C28C962 for <lemonade@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 08:19:45 -0800 (PST)
Received: from [172.16.1.99] (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id <R63S-QAx4AOl@rufus.isode.com>; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 16:21:13 +0000
Message-ID: <47ACDF9F.8040801@isode.com>
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:02:55 +0000
From: Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915
X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
To: Lemonade WG <lemonade@ietf.org>
References: <39741682.27961198095404218.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <479A2470.2050807@isode.com>
In-Reply-To: <479A2470.2050807@isode.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: [lemonade] Discovery of available conversions in CONVERT: poll results
X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments <lemonade.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade>, <mailto:lemonade-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Post: <mailto:lemonade@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:lemonade-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade>, <mailto:lemonade-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org
Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org
7 people have replied to the questionnaire (including myself). Below are the results: Alexey Melnikov wrote: > Q1: Some questions regarding understanding of METADATA-SERVER > (draft-daboo-imap-annotatemore-12.txt) extension (please answer to > each question with Yes (true) or No (false)) > > A). METADATA-SERVER depends on LIST-EXTENDED extension > (draft-ietf-imapext-list-extensions-18.txt). > B). METADATA-SERVER depends on ENABLE extension > (draft-gulbrandsen-imap-enable-05.txt). > C). A server implementing METADATA-SERVER must implement multiple > comparators. > D). METADATA-SERVER requires implementation of both .priv and .shared I am highly disappointed that most of the people got answers to this question wrong. Correct answers: A). No B). Yes C). No D). No > Q2: Should CONVERT support the following conversion discovery > mechanism: "Give me this body part in a format that I probably > understand" > (feel free to select multiple answers, unless you answer No or Undecided) > > Answers: > 1). No > 2). Yes, I am happy with Dave Cridland's proposal (see section 2.1 of > draft-melnikov-lemonade-convert-discovery-00.txt or > <http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lemonade/current/msg04264.html>) > 3). Yes, but I would like to suggest another proposal > 4). Undecided Most of the people are in favor of 2. Some people were undecided, but not against it. So, I will be adding Dave's proposal to the next revision of CONVERT. > Q3: Should CONVERT support the following conversion discovery > mechanism: "What can I turn this body part into?" > (feel free to select multiple answers, unless you answer No or Undecided) > > Answers: > 1). No > 2). Yes, I prefer to use METADATA-SERVER extension (see section 2.2.1 > of draft-melnikov-lemonade-convert-discovery-00.txt, also see > draft-daboo-imap-annotatemore-12.txt for more information) > 3). Yes, I prefer to use Dan Karp's proposal (see section 2.2.2 of > draft-melnikov-lemonade-convert-discovery-00.txt or > <http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lemonade/current/msg04297.html>) > 4). Yes, I prefer Arnt's proposal for advertising target MIME types > (or similar tokens) in the CAPABILITY response, e.g.: > > * CAPABILITY ... CONVERT=JPEG ... CONVERT=MP3 ... > > 5). Yes, but I would like to suggest another proposal > 6). Undecided Consensus on this question was rough: 2 people were against this (choice 1). Everybody else were in favor of one of the yes choices (2, 3 or 4). Among these people, majority preferred choice 3, with choices 2 and 4 both being the second favorite choice. So I think we will go with Dan's proposal. > Q4: Should CONVERT support discovery of available conversion > parameters for a particular conversion? > (feel free to select multiple answers, unless you answer No or > Undecided) Note that a separate question is asking if discovery should > be optional or mandatory for servers to implement. > > Answers: > 1). No, reporting that a particular conversion parameter is not > supported (see CONVERT draft) is sufficient > 2). Yes, I prefer to use METADATA-SERVER extension (see section 2.2.1 > of draft-melnikov-lemonade-convert-discovery-00.txt, also see > draft-daboo-imap-annotatemore-12.txt for more information) > 3). Yes, I prefer to use Dan Karp's proposal (see section 2.2.2 of > draft-melnikov-lemonade-convert-discovery-00.txt or > <http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lemonade/current/msg04297.html>) > 4). Yes, I would prefer to list available conversion parameters upon a > CONVERT command failure caused by an unrecognized conversion > parameter, for example: > > C: b002 CONVERT 2 ("text/plain" ("mumble" "hrrr")) > (BINARY[3] BODYPARTSTRUCTURE[3]) > S: * 2 CONVERTED (tag "b002") (BODYPARTSTRUCTURE[3] > (ERROR "Parameter mumble is not supported for text/plain" > BADPARAMETERS > "text/html" "text/plain" ("mumble" "hrrr"))) > S: * CONVERSIONS "text/html" "text/plain" "charset" > "UNKNOWN-CHARACTER-REPLACEMENT" > S: b002 OK Some conversions failed > 5). Yes, but I would like to suggest another proposal > 6). Undecided Consensus on this question was even more rough. One person was against this (i.e. choice 1). Choices 3 and 4 had about equal number of votes (counting peoples second choices), so I think I will need to poll people again to confirm which one of those two they prefer. > Q5: If you answered Yes to Q4: should the conversion parameter > discovery be Mandatory or Optional for servers to support? Most people thought that it should be mandatory. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade Supplemental Web Site: http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/lemonade
- [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-convert… Internet-Drafts
- Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-con… Dan Karp
- Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-con… Dave Cridland
- Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-con… Ken Murchison
- [lemonade] RE: Inclusion of METADATA into Lemonad… Peter Coates
- [lemonade] Re: Inclusion of METADATA into Lemonad… Alexey Melnikov
- [lemonade] Re: Inclusion of METADATA into Lemonad… Dan Karp
- Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-con… Dave Cridland
- Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-con… Mark Crispin
- Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-con… Dan Karp
- Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-con… Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-con… Dan Karp
- Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-con… Cyrus Daboo
- Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-con… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-con… Curtis King
- Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-con… Curtis King
- Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-con… Mark Crispin
- Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-con… Mark Crispin
- Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-con… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-con… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-con… Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-con… Mark Crispin
- Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-con… Dave Cridland
- Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-con… Dave Cridland
- Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-con… Dan Karp
- Re: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-con… Arnt Gulbrandsen
- [lemonade] POLL: discovery of available conversio… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [lemonade] POLL: discovery of available conve… Dave Cridland
- Re: [lemonade] POLL: discovery of available conve… Alexey Melnikov
- RE: [lemonade] POLL: discovery of available conve… Zoltan.Ordogh
- Re: [lemonade] POLL: discovery of available conve… Zoltan.Ordogh
- Re: [lemonade] POLL: discovery of available conve… Alexey Melnikov
- [lemonade] Discovery of available conversions in … Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [lemonade] Discovery of available conversions… Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [lemonade] Discovery of available conversions… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [lemonade] Discovery of available conversions… Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [lemonade] Discovery of available conversions… Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [lemonade] Discovery of available conversions… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [lemonade] Discovery of available conversions… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [lemonade] Discovery of available conversions… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [lemonade] Discovery of available conversions… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [lemonade] Discovery of available conversions… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [lemonade] Discovery of available conversions… Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [lemonade] Discovery of available conversions… Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [lemonade] Discovery of available conversions… Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [lemonade] Discovery of available conversions… Alexey Melnikov