Re: [Lime] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-11.txt> (Generic YANG Data Model for Connectionless Operations, Administration, and Maintenance(OAM) protocols) to Proposed Standard

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 20 October 2017 19:28 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Lime] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-11.txt> (Generic YANG Data Model for Connectionless Operations, Administration, and Maintenance(OAM) protocols) to Proposed Standard
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Greg,
On 21/10/2017 01:34, Greg Mirsky wrote:
...
> 
>       session-delay-statistics and session-jitter-statistics are too
> limiting in many dimensions - no support to reflect one-way (far-end
> and near-end) and round-trip measurements for the same test session,
> and too few metrics., e.g. no report of percentile.
> 
>       -
> 
>       session-delay-statistics does not reflect type of delay
> variation being calculated. As analyzed in RFC 5481, PDV and IPDV
> characterize different conditions (Section 5) and at least reflecting
> which one being calculated and reported is very informative.
> 

I had similar comments on draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods-09
in my Gen-ART review at
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gen-art/qA38WYm5ookOePfnhqO4yM09cvc.
I haven't reviewed draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam itself,
but it seems that the authors have chosen to leave quite a few things
under-defined, which bothers me from the interoperability viewpoint.
Presumably the existing implementations have taken specific decisions
on these points, which could be documented, even as default recommendations?

Regards
     Brian