Re: [lp-wan] Focused Scope for LPWAN WG at Berlin

Alper Yegin <alper.yegin@actility.com> Thu, 21 April 2016 13:39 UTC

Return-Path: <alper.yegin@actility.com>
X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C7212DA8A for <lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 06:39:12 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.7
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=actility.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cQQwEAtp1GHj for <lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 06:39:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-vk0-x235.google.com (mail-vk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9070012D19B for <lp-wan@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 06:39:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-vk0-x235.google.com with SMTP id t129so98351029vkg.2 for <lp-wan@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 06:39:08 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=actility.com; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=vuINsmiHtu974cHiqcevNx4PCobPFGho6sH2nvqIyV0=; b=HFqW0ikccn6b+ta5/77pvx0Fi2uJ8zSSiTFRPeY3z4EiyI/cTjZqLs1OuTjqBc53A+ NIBJmNWSR6/5+1KC10Uilubg22LXLN9jG3u148auEgcGvqZPc4XY5u45UE09x7KuYzoz Vzc4eRDF4JCBT6O7fYw3Lzys2VvrP5juZjhPM=
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=vuINsmiHtu974cHiqcevNx4PCobPFGho6sH2nvqIyV0=; b=LzZoBeb0kKk2khEgW1T3QKu2izA/y8wKU7SzqfBELK0vH2a3BxOlEEkPcnoHlXM6Hw p+CubTPFUVx4uVMCk+1Y5AvAYFyxl4x3YH+AlNCGEa8w522ZfkYLZJFSAzq84giCP12U o4AfGk01pc7kM3yFD1ZAQ8JvQ70pha/5WbknhjgTbKGuoVDj1+lEV1HzoSJgayv56NWa jH+j/x+1S/oN40jcRDIqTA0s8y82Ia4XekIwjtmnFpL9ZprErf0vYrvPg/iSffl5uSwt 8eWD/qPJLwgLgUPaFevjUfgmE+EbYbgHhxDGMsOTtETwn0loov9Ln9yue6MEtVyNxJGi e4+w==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FUjKUSV3vVk576fUS6g6J3oXfitSWqtyVb52KPrtNFQNN+gITuyEey08szOrF62sgl/hxuIYvVZfEzxWeew
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Received: by 10.31.141.2 with SMTP id p2mr7997265vkd.37.1461245947644; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 06:39:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.159.40.6 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 06:39:07 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <CAOPRf-fKrBb34Hr6OB+Q3-vz_QOZp04+4KoC=QtFu_v++QvuTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOPRf-dM_XQTfaNq-e78FBcYQ9TFoSmgJOOXD+8fEjGFoxfD9g@mail.gmail.com> <AM4PR08MB109061D14F845F3A43C8B58FFA6C0@AM4PR08MB1090.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com> <CADJ9OA_nC0dbnd=7mdDxZqwPXJ2z_dfXn0=7B6T24oecGbxGwg@mail.gmail.com> <CAOPRf-fKrBb34Hr6OB+Q3-vz_QOZp04+4KoC=QtFu_v++QvuTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 16:39:07 +0300
Message-ID: <CACCk=ez-Dzp16aWde9zGiYk3QT3rb5Hy7eTss6q=gzk7sRfqdg@mail.gmail.com>
From: Alper Yegin <alper.yegin@actility.com>
To: Ana Minaburo <ana@minaburo.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11426040a3c1e20530fed525"
Archived-At: <http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lp-wan/pNdIDBVeN126qkknfoBxmQa_btU>
Cc: "lp-wan@ietf.org" <lp-wan@ietf.org>, Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com>, Thomas Watteyne <thomas.watteyne@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [lp-wan] Focused Scope for LPWAN WG at Berlin
X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" <lp-wan.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/lp-wan>, <mailto:lp-wan-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/lp-wan/>
List-Post: <mailto:lp-wan@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:lp-wan-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan>, <mailto:lp-wan-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 13:39:12 -0000

Hello Ana, folks,

There is indeed interest on our side. Unfortunately, the last IETF meeting
collided with a LoRa Alliance meeting, hence I couldn't attend the IETF
LPWAN meeting, not even remotely.

Cheers,

Alper


On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Ana Minaburo <ana@minaburo.com> wrote:

> Hello Thomas,
>
> Thank you for your input, I think we can discuss of which are the good
> technologies to study, but there is not a doubt about SIGFOX, as they have
> shown its interested. Ofcourse we can discuss about 802.15.4g and the
> difference between 6tisch/6lo/6LoWPAN and LP-WAN relations and differences
> but there are a good collaboration between them and IETF and we can take
> advantage of it. There is missing one technology, we can wait and start
> with this two approaches and see if LoRAWAN get into the group, or see if
> anyone of have a contect with them?
>
> Thanks
> Ana
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Thomas Watteyne <thomas.watteyne@inria.fr
> > wrote:
>
>> I believe the BoF at Buenos Aires indicated work needs to be done in the
>> area of LPWAN at the IETF.
>>
>> Most of the discussion in Buenos Aires was about the technology that was
>> going to be addressed; that discussion is missing from the initial e-mail
>> in this thread.
>>
>> There was a clear consensus from the room to narrow the scope of LPWAN to
>> 2-3 long-range technologies. There were some remarks about whether this was
>> the LPWAN group pushing new technology, or whether there was pull from the
>> entities defining that technology. Since then, representatives of companies
>> working on SIGFOX and IEEE802.15.4g technology spoke up, expressing clear
>> interest for the solutions LPWAN could come up with. There may be others
>> speaking up.
>>
>> So I believe we have our 2-3 technologies, and I strongly suggest the
>> LPWAN group narrows its scope to those as an initial set. Please note that
>> a IEEE802.15.4g network is not per-se single hop, so that "feature" of
>> LPWAN should be lifted.
>>
>> My 2c.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Hannes Tschofenig <
>> Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ana,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would focus on the use of IPv6 over these low power wide area
>>> networks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Device management approaches, OMA LWM2M, COMI/COOL or others, would work
>>> over these radio technologies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For security I haven’t seen a document that convinced me that some work
>>> is needed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ciao
>>>
>>> Hannes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* lp-wan [mailto:lp-wan-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Ana
>>> Minaburo
>>> *Sent:* 18 April 2016 23:03
>>> *To:* lp-wan@ietf.org
>>> *Subject:* [lp-wan] Focused Scope for LPWAN WG at Berlin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello again,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well in this message I would like to discuss the scope of the WG. We
>>> need to define the focused gaps we want to work in. Let's agree about which
>>> are the subjects we want to study,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think the following points are vey important in order to create the
>>> WG, please tell me which other you think we need to add.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. IPv6
>>>
>>> draft-gomez-lpwan-ipv6-analysis-00
>>>
>>> IP End to End Communication
>>>
>>> IPv6 MTU requires fragmentation
>>>
>>> ND will be configured in advanced
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. Header Compression
>>>
>>> draft-toutain-lp-wan-compression-context-00
>>>
>>> New Mechanism adapted to challenged networks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3.  Security
>>>
>>> Personal information need to be secured,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 4. Management
>>>
>>> draft-pelov-core-cosol-01
>>>
>>> draft-veillette-core-cool-01
>>>
>>> draft-somaraju-core-sid-00
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Ana
>>>
>>>
>>> IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are
>>> confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
>>> recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
>>> contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the
>>> information in any medium. Thank you.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> lp-wan mailing list
>>> lp-wan@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> _______________________________________
>>
>> Thomas Watteyne, PhD
>> Research Scientist & Innovator, Inria
>> Sr Networking Design Eng, Linear Tech
>> Founder & co-lead, UC Berkeley OpenWSN
>> Co-chair, IETF 6TiSCH
>>
>> www.thomaswatteyne.com
>> _______________________________________
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> lp-wan mailing list
> lp-wan@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan
>
>