Re: [Megaco] Megaco: which spec to use?

"Pascal Lambers" <pascal.lambers@pandora.be> Tue, 12 November 2002 20:43 UTC

Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA14494 for <megaco-archive@lists.ietf.org>; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:43:28 -0500 (EST)
Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gACKjBv28924; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:45:11 -0500
Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gACKi5v28849 for <megaco@optimus.ietf.org>; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:44:05 -0500
Received: from eos.telenet-ops.be (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA14365 for <Megaco@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:41:25 -0500 (EST)
Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eos.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 02FC2201CF; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:43:58 +0100 (CET)
Received: from pentiumiii (D5778868.kabel.telenet.be [213.119.136.104]) by eos.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D1FF200E7; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:43:56 +0100 (CET)
Message-ID: <004c01c28a8c$4e514a40$688877d5@pandora.be>
Reply-To: Pascal Lambers <pascal.lambers@pandora.be>
From: Pascal Lambers <pascal.lambers@pandora.be>
To: Kevin Boyle <kboyle@nortelnetworks.com>, Megaco@ietf.org
References: <ABA227A15B80D511BD1A00508BF93A1C06577DC8@zrtpd0jq.us.nortel.com>
Subject: Re: [Megaco] Megaco: which spec to use?
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:44:32 +0100
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C28A94.AFCAEDA0"
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000
Sender: megaco-admin@ietf.org
Errors-To: megaco-admin@ietf.org
X-BeenThere: megaco@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12
Precedence: bulk
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco>, <mailto:megaco-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Id: Media Gateway Control <megaco.ietf.org>
List-Post: <mailto:megaco@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:megaco-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco>, <mailto:megaco-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>

MessageOk, thanks.

So, if I understand this correctly, ietf's correction 2 on RFC 3015, corresponds to some or more annexes of H.248.1. For ietf the corrections are not yet normative (as they need to be pushed towards RFC status first), but for ITU-T the corresponding corrections are normative.

What do most vendors implement then?

Pascal



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kevin Boyle 
  To: Pascal Lambers ; Megaco@ietf.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:30 PM
  Subject: RE: [Megaco] Megaco: which spec to use?


  You have a misunderstanding as to what does and does not constitute a standard.

  RFC 3015 is a "Proposed Standard" that outlines the original draft of the Megaco/H.248 specification.  In accordance with the agreement between the IETF and ITU, it is subject to the amendments contained within the Implementors' Guide.  draft-ietf-megaco-3015corr is being pushed toward RFC status to replace 3015.  It is identical to ITU-T Recommendation H.248.1, 02/2002 (hereafter referred to as H.248.1 v1).  draft-ietf-megaco-h248v2 is being pushed toward RFC status as well.  It is identical to ITU-T Recommendation H.248.1, 05/2002 (hereafter referred to as H.248.1 v2).  Both of these will go forward as "Proposed Standards".

  However, this only describes the status of these items as they pertain to the IETF.  The ITU has issued both of the documents as Recommendations, meaning that they have full weight and status as standards, as far as the ITU is concerned.  The ITU and IETF are both widely recognized as standards bodies that have authority to declare and retract standards as they see fit.  Megaco-H.248 work is progressed under a joint agreement between the two.  However, just because one body or the other is lagging in declaration of the standard does not make it any less a standard.

  One other small correction:  H.248.2 is NOT H.248 v2.  H.248.2 is what used to be H.248 Annex F.  The annexes were renumbered to make for easier reference.  The base spec is H.248.1 (with a version 1 and version 2) and the annexes are H.248.2 through H.248.20 (currently).  I anticipate that we will add H.248.21 in May.

  Kevin
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Pascal Lambers [mailto:pascal.lambers@pandora.be] 
    Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:07 PM
    To: Megaco@ietf.org
    Subject: [Megaco] Megaco: which spec to use?


    Hello, 

    May I ask some questions about which Megaco spec to hold on to...


    For Megaco, Ietf has different documents:
      a.. Gateway Control Protocol Version 1: RFC 3015 (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3015.txt?number=3015) 
      b.. draft-ietf-megaco-3015corr-01.txt 
      c.. draft-ietf-megaco-3015corr-02.txt (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-megaco-3015corr-02.txt)
    As there is no RFC for version 2 yet, the only norm is version 1. Vendors who implemented specifcic corrections and amendements specified in the corrective documents are in fact not conform to the official Megaco spec, as "it is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than as work in progress." Is this interpretation correct?

    Now, my second question: what about ITU-T's H.248 specifications? I understand that RFC 3015 corresponds to H.248. But what about H.248.1, H.248.2, etc. Are they official or just corrections and ideas for a new official spec yet to come?


    Is any vendor relying on this spec, or does everybody take the RFC 3015?



    Thanks in advance,
    Pascal