Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps?
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 05 April 2012 11:18 UTC
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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 12:18:26 +0100
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps?
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On 2012-04-05 11:42, Ted Lemon wrote: > On Apr 5, 2012, at 3:14 AM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> > wrote: >> My understanding is that IT departments who currently manage layer 3 >> aspects of hosts via whatever database tool configures their DHCP[v6] >> servers wish to continue doing so, rather than having to use a >> different (or updated) tool to configure their RAs. The reason of >> course is to reduce operational complexity and expense. > > But *why*? Please stop talking about feelings. Please say why. > > For example, if using DHCPv6 instead of RA reduces operational complexity and expense, you should be able to say *why* it does so. Because using one method of configuring hosts is less complex and therefore cheaper than using two. It's clear that small simple networks (the dentist's office scenario in the terminology we used around 1995) can get by with RA alone, and it's clear that more complex networks need much more flexibility. MIF and homenet are both considering complex scenarios by this standard. I now think that detailing use cases is beside the point. It's simply a fact that above a certain level of complexity, operators need the flexibility of DHCPv6 or RADIUS, and in that case, it is less complex if everything configurable can be configured with the same tool. Brian
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Ted Lemon
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Tomek Mrugalski
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Ted Lemon
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Ted Lemon
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Ted Lemon
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Tony Hain
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Ted Lemon
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Ted Lemon
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [mif] use cases - Router instead of Host (was… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Tony Hain
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Tony Hain
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Ted Lemon
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Tony Hain
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Ted Lemon
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Tony Hain
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Erik Kline
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Erik Kline
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Ted Lemon
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Ted Lemon
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Tony Hain
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Ted Lemon
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Ted Lemon
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Ted Lemon
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? jouni korhonen
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Sri Gundavelli
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Wojciech Dec
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Tao Sun
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Arifumi Matsumoto
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Arifumi Matsumoto
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Ted Lemon
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Maglione Roberta
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Maglione Roberta
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? jouni korhonen
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps? Behcet Sarikaya