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Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps?

Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com> Wed, 04 April 2012 02:01 UTC

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From: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 11:01:21 +0900
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Subject: Re: [mif] Route option for DHCPv6 - next steps?
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On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 01:24, Tony Hain <alh-ietf@tndh.net> wrote:

> Following that analogy, a large percentage of the network operators out
> there have a hammer. It doesn't matter if you give them screws or nails,
> they are going to  use the hammer they know.


But that's a problem.

If we standardize a hammer, there is a risk that those people will use it
in the wrong scenarios - they might use the the hammer to drive screws into
the walls instead of using the screwdriver, because they don't know how to
use the screwdriver, even though they have it.

That's not a problem per se. The concern is that over time, "use what you
know", network effects, "security", and economics will lead to general
adoption of the hammer because it becomes the lowest common denominator. If
that happens, we as a community might not use the screwdriver any more, and
we will have replaced a sophisticated tool with a less sophisticated one.

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