Re: [mif] The formation of the design team

Hi Ted,

I support the process. Yes the design team is very big, but that's what
happens in most cases.

What I see missing is who is going to lead the DT?

Regards,

Behcet

On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com> wrote:

> On Apr 3, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Brian E Carpenter <
> brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think the real question is whether the architecture issue
> > that underlies MIF can actually be solved within the limits
> > of an IETF WG. But certainly the first stage is to produce a
> > clear statement of what the issue is, and I would press the
> > design team to bring that statement back to the WG *before*
> > considering possible solutions.
>
> Work that the IETF does has to be done in working groups, or as individual
> submissions, or by the IAB or the IESG.   Are you proposing that this work
> should be done in one of those other ways, rather than by the MIF working
> group, which was chartered to do this work and has already written a
> problem statement?   I don't think you were at the MIF meeting, so you may
> not have heard my presentation on this, but the slides are available, and I
> think the session was recorded.
>
> Ultimately, we definitely need something for the rest of the IETF, not
> just MIF, to review, but we have to have something for the IETF *to*
> review; that is the point.
>
> Michael did raise the question of whether this is really a design team, or
> the entire working group.   This is something that I discussed with the MIF
> chairs as well.   It's difficult to say; if everybody on the list winds up
> being an active participant, then maybe Michael is correct.   I personally
> doubt that's so.
>
> However, it may be that you or Michael are concerned that process isn't
> being followed.   It could be argued that the meeting Hui announced is
> really an interim working group meeting and not a design team meeting.   If
> that's the case, then the two week notice requirement applies.
>
> I don't have a strong preference for keeping this as a design team thing
> if people object.   I doubt the chairs do either.   It's certainly easier
> to schedule meetings if it's just a design team, and I think it's
> legitimate to claim that it's a design team.   But, frankly, you have more
> experience with this sort of thing than I do; if in your expert opinion
> this is an interim working group meeting and not a design team meeting, I
> think we ought to take that seriously.
>
> But as for the question of where to do the work, I think at least for the
> moment, unless you have some serious proposal to make, MIF is in fact the
> right place.
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