RE: [Mipshop] final (?) list of MIPSHOP items for new charter
"Soliman, Hesham" <H.Soliman@flarion.com> Tue, 10 May 2005 17:39 UTC
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Subject: RE: [Mipshop] final (?) list of MIPSHOP items for new charter
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Sorry I sent the previous email to your old address. Here's a resend: Hi Gab, Here is the email I was referring to. Hesham > -----Original Message----- > From: mipshop-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mipshop-bounces@ietf.org]On > Behalf Of gabriel montenegro > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 2:15 PM > To: mipshop@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Mipshop] MIPSHOP discussion on new items and milestones > > > Folks, > > Thanks for the excellent exchange so far. At this point, > based on what I've > seen, I'd like to share with you how I'm seeing things. > > > MN-AR security > seems like there is sufficient interest and this item is > narrow enough to warrant further work on the SeND key > reuse method as well as to develop a AAA-based solution. > Whereas we believe there may be some IPR-issues to clarify > with the SeND based approach (in spite of Jim's interpretation) > we don't have the same clarity with respect to the AAA approach. > Please come forward with your IPR disclosures on this. > This is not > optional. > > looking at 2 PS documents. > > FMIPv6 itself > I'd postpone this item given that we don't have a clear > understandiung > of what the exact relationship with DNA, CARD, 802.21 > and the forthcoming > neighborhood discovery is (and heck, there's even a > proposal for dhcp). > I'm inclined not to include it for now > until we know more, and look into it again until a few > months have > gone by and we have a better grasp of the security and > the discovery > portions. The former to continue here, the latter to > continue elsewhere > (e.g., mobopts). > > FMIP-over-cdma > This experimental document is a useful exercise to > better understand > deployment considerations and the above issues. It's > also good in that > it encourages another SDO to seriously think about > this, even if it is > in a preliminary manner (I don't believe they have > firms and urgent > deployment plans). I have heard of at least two groups > of folks in > the working group interested in this. You know who you > are, and you > should work together on one document. Highly desirable: > go through the > regular channels (ietf liaisons) and produce a document > from 3GPP2 > on this subject. > > looking at one informational document > > MN-MAP security for HMIPv6 > I'd like to think that such an item could be included, > but we do need to see > a draft on this subject in very short order. > Conceptually, it does not seem > a much more difficult problem than MN-AR security, so > depending on how quickly > the relevant draft can be produced, this could be > entertained. It seems to me > that without this piece in place, talking about other > HMIP work in MIPSHOP > is premature (but it should continue elsewhere). Like > FMIP, other work could > be taken on later on. > > perhaps (if a first solid draft appears shortly) one PS document > > RO issues > Not clear how much of EBU is new and how much is just > further language on > rfc 3775. At any rate, it does seem like a CGA-based > scheme could be > worked on (heck, the basic concept has been around for > ages), using > omip as a starting point. Highly desirable: go through > the ietf channels > and using the proper liaisons obtain a message from the > SDOs reputedly > interested in this item. This document would have the > precondition for > CBA (authenticated notification of CoA change to the > CN). Ideally, we'd > have a very simple CBA scheme in place as well. Both > of these mechanism > would be optional (i.e., we're not in the business of > replacing RR). > > looking at one PS document. > > > This gives us a lot already, perhaps too much: > (up to) 4 PS documents (perhaps 3) > 1 informational document > > I don't think we want to take on any more load for now. As > we complete > items, we will look into it (as we are doing now). > > This may not be everybody's favorite list, but hopefully it > works reasonably well > (or at least *maximizes the distribution of unhappiness*, as > Brian put it at the plenary). > > comments? close enough, way off? > > -gabriel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mipshop mailing list > Mipshop@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mipshop > > -----Original Message----- > From: gabriel montenegro [mailto:itijibox-mipshop@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 1:24 PM > To: Soliman, Hesham; itijibox-mipshop@yahoo.com; mipshop@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Mipshop] final (?) list of MIPSHOP items for > new charter > > > > --- "Soliman, Hesham" <H.Soliman@flarion.com> wrote: > > > Hi Gab, > > > > > I tried to have the smallest list of items for which I > sensed some > > > enthusiasm. We could ask for explicit commitment from > folks, but > > > basically, for those items I felt the WG would have > enough people > > > to edit, review and comment. Frankly, I did not see > much of a group > > > of folks who'd do that on the HMIP side of things. If > I've got the > > > wrong impression, please speak up (I know about you Hesham). > > > > => I guess my surprise is because you put the original > > proposal and there was no objection to having the HMIP item. > > People objected to lack of other items. People don't normally > > come out to support something that's already in the charter, they > > complain about what's missing. So, I'm confused as to what you > > expected to see (and didn't) after you sent out the charter. > > If you want to eliminate confusion maybe you should explicitly > > ask for people's support of different items on the charter. > > It's not clear how you made that decision. > > > > Hesham > > I'm confused, so I went back in the archives. > Here's the original list: > > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mipshop/current/msg00960.html > > There was no mention of HMIPv6. There was a subsequent discussion in > which you brought it up, though. Is that what you were > thinking about? > > -gabriel > > > > > > > > > -gabriel > > > > > > --- "Soliman, Hesham" <H.Soliman@flarion.com> wrote: > > > > Gab, > > > > > > > > I don't understand what happened to the HMIP doc you > had initially. > > > > Why did this disappear? > > > > > > > > Hesham > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: mipshop-bounces@ietf.org > > > [mailto:mipshop-bounces@ietf.org]On > > > > > Behalf Of gabriel montenegro > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:49 AM > > > > > To: mipshop@ietf.org > > > > > Subject: [Mipshop] final (?) list of MIPSHOP items for > > > new charter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > > > Based on the discussion, interest shown, etc, here's a > > > > > reduced list of next > > > > > milestone items. Other items, of course, could be > added once > > > > > progress on > > > > > this list has been made. > > > > > > > > > > Further work on FMIPv6 > > > > > ---------------------- > > > > > > > > > > - work on MN-AR security. > > > > > > > > > > - AAA-based keys for handovers - > > > > > > > > > > - derive key from SeND for fmip > > > > > > > > > > 2 documents > > > > > > > > > > - work on FMIPv6 itself: > > > > > > > > > > 1. common information elements for use by > > > > > 802.11, fmip6, fmip4 > > > > > 2. local repair a la FBU/FBAck/FNA > > > > > 3. IP transport of those information elements > > > > > from the AR > > > > > (PrRtXXX + CARD MN-AR ==> ICMPv6?) > > > > > > > > > > potentially two docs: > > > > > > > > > > - info elements (#1 above) > > > > > - "FMIPv6" (#2 and #3) > > > > > > > > > > 2 documents > > > > > > > > > > RR optimizations > > > > > ---------------- > > > > > > > > > > - merge of CGA-OMIP and CBA > > > > > > > > > > 1 document > > > > > > > > > > Total: 5 documents > > > > > > > > > > I believe this captures what the WG wants and can > reasonably > > > > > do in the short term. > > > > > Unless the list above is terribly broken, this is what I'd > > > > > like to present to the > > > > > AD's for approval. > > > > > > > > > > -gabriel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Mipshop mailing list > > > > > Mipshop@ietf.org > > > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mipshop > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========================================================== > > > > This email may contain confidential and privileged > > > material for the sole use > > > > of the intended recipient. Any review or distribution by > > > others is strictly > > > > prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please > > > contact the sender > > > > and delete all copies. > > > > =========================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Mipshop mailing list > > > > Mipshop@ietf.org > > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mipshop > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Mipshop mailing list Mipshop@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mipshop
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