RE: HOKEY and the AAA FMIP Handover Keys Draft? (was: Re: [Mipshop]RE: WG Consensus call on AAA based handover keys forFMIPv6)
"Vijay Devarapalli" <Vijay.Devarapalli@AzaireNet.com> Tue, 01 May 2007 18:00 UTC
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Subject: RE: HOKEY and the AAA FMIP Handover Keys Draft? (was: Re: [Mipshop]RE: WG Consensus call on AAA based handover keys forFMIPv6)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 11:00:00 -0700
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One more thing. HOKEY assumes EAP is used all the time. draft-vidya-mipshop-handover-keys-aaa does not assume EAP is used. Vijay > -----Original Message----- > From: Vijay Devarapalli [mailto:Vijay.Devarapalli@AzaireNet.com] > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:16 PM > To: James Kempf > Cc: mipshop@ietf.org > Subject: RE: HOKEY and the AAA FMIP Handover Keys Draft? > (was: Re: [Mipshop]RE: WG Consensus call on AAA based > handover keys forFMIPv6) > > Hello Jim, > > Good question. > > The way I understand it, draft-ietf-hokey-emsk-hierarchy-00 > generates USRK (Usage Specific Root Key) as part of access > authentication. These USRKs can be used by "other" > applications. I don't think the USRKs can be used directly > (somebody correct me if I am wrong). So you still need a > mechanism to generate FMIPv6 specific keys from the USRKs > generated by the HOKEY protocols. > > Now coming to draft-vidya-mipshop-handover-keys-aaa, one > could equate an USRK with the Handover Master Key (HMK). > > Vijay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James Kempf [mailto:kempf@docomolabs-usa.com] > > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:48 AM > > To: john.zhao@huawei.com; Vijay Devarapalli > > Cc: mipshop@ietf.org > > Subject: HOKEY and the AAA FMIP Handover Keys Draft? (was: > > Re: [Mipshop] RE: WG Consensus call on AAA based handover > > keys forFMIPv6) > > > > Actually, this issue came up recently in a conversation I had > > with someone. > > > > I wonder if Vidya or someone who has been active in > > organizing the HOKEY BOF > > can explain what the difference is between what HOKEY is > > proposing as work > > items for a WG and draft-vidya for FMIP AAA based keying > > which we've been > > working on in MIPSHOP? I understand that HOKEY is looking at > > other, more > > controversial issues, such as IPSEC gateway state transfer, but I'm > > interested specifically at the issue of access router > > handover keys, which, > > if I recall correctly, was part of what HOKEY was originally > > going to do. Is > > draft-vidya part of some larger system enhancement that > > people in HOKEY are > > discussing? Or has HOKEY dropped access router handover keys > > entirely? I'm a > > little confused. > > > > jak > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John.zhao" <john.zhao@huawei.com> > > To: <vijay.devarapalli@azairenet.com> > > Cc: <mipshop@ietf.org> > > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:26 AM > > Subject: [Mipshop] RE: WG Consensus call on AAA based handover keys > > forFMIPv6 > > > > > > > Hi,vijay > > > > > > > > > > > > Just as you have mentioned. > > > > > >> .. > > > > > >> So we would like to check if the WG still wants to develop > > a AAA based > > > > > >> handover keying mechanism for FMIPv6. So please reply to > > this email on > > > > > >> whether you think such a mechanism needs to be developed by the > > > > > >> MIPSHOP WG. Please respond by April 30. This is a short one-week > > > > > >> consensus call since we need to re-charter pretty soon. > > > > > >> > > > > > > I suggest that I think it is right at least. But I > > want to know, > > > if > > > we go ahead that means we will develop a new protocol to do > > the AAA based > > > handover keying mechanism? IMHO, because the hokey seems > > just do this work > > > , > > > although it didn't aim only to FMIPv6. But it can be use > > here later. So > > > what > > > is you mean? > > > > > > In another side, if only two method are chosen? One > > is based on > > > SeND, and the other is based on AAA. If still can be > > developed to base > > > anything others if applicable? > > > > > > To the statement, you in another thread just like > > the following, > > > If > > > that means the consensus call work has been done and a > > document is needed > > > at > > > now? > > > > > >> Thank you. :) > > > > > >> > > > > > >> But seriously I would rather see a document gathering WG > > support rather > > > than saying it should go ahead because there is no one objecting. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Vijay > > > > > > So what do you mean about the document? > > > > > > > > > > > > My two cents. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Rgds, > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > John.zhao > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Mipshop mailing list > > > Mipshop@ietf.org > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mipshop > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mipshop mailing list > Mipshop@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mipshop > _______________________________________________ Mipshop mailing list Mipshop@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mipshop
- [Mipshop] WG Consensus call on AAA based handover… Vijay Devarapalli
- Re: [Mipshop] WG Consensus call on AAA based hand… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Mipshop] WG Consensus call on AAA based hand… Vijay Devarapalli
- Re: [Mipshop] WG Consensus call on AAA based hand… Julien Bournelle
- Re: [Mipshop] WG Consensus call on AAA based hand… Gerardo Giaretta
- RE: [Mipshop] WG Consensus call on AAA based hand… Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [Mipshop] WG Consensus call on AAA based hand… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Mipshop] WG Consensus call on AAA based hand… Rajeev Koodli
- RE: [Mipshop] WG Consensus call on AAA based hand… Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [Mipshop] WG Consensus call on AAA based hand… James Kempf
- RE: [Mipshop] WG Consensus call on AAA based hand… Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [Mipshop] WG Consensus call on AAA based hand… Vijay Devarapalli
- [Mipshop] RE: WG Consensus call on AAA based hand… Sam Xia
- Re: [Mipshop] WG Consensus call on AAA based hand… Vijay Devarapalli
- draft-vidya-mipshop-handover-keys-aaa (was Re: [M… Vijay Devarapalli
- [Mipshop] RE: WG Consensus call on AAA based hand… John.zhao
- HOKEY and the AAA FMIP Handover Keys Draft? (was:… James Kempf
- RE: HOKEY and the AAA FMIP Handover Keys Draft? (… Alper Yegin
- Re: HOKEY and the AAA FMIP Handover Keys Draft? (… James Kempf
- RE: HOKEY and the AAA FMIP Handover Keys Draft? (… Vijay Devarapalli
- RE: HOKEY and the AAA FMIP Handover Keys Draft? (… Vijay Devarapalli
- Re: HOKEY and the AAA FMIP Handover Keys Draft? (… James Kempf