Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map RTP data to m- line is based on PT?
Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Wed, 26 June 2013 11:38 UTC
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From: Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 13:37:46 +0200
To: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>, "mmusic@ietf.org" <mmusic@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map RTP data to m- line is based on PT?
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I am on vacation now, so short answer: Apps that use m-lines for rtp session negotiation and not for stream control need no such association. If we mandate such association, we load those apps with extra luggage. Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote: >Hi Harald, > >Just for my clarification: Assuming we are talking about applications >using RTP (instead of ANY BUNDLE application), is your answer to Q3 >still "no"? > >In other words, do you think there might be RTP cases where it is not >needed to associate the RTP data with an m- line? > >OR, do you think that BUNDLE simply shouldn't say anything about how to >map RTP packets to m- lines? > >Regards, > >Christer > > >From: mmusic-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mmusic-bounces@ietf.org] On >Behalf Of Harald Alvestrand >Sent: 26. kesäkuuta 2013 8:25 >To: mmusic@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map RTP data to m- >line is based on PT? > >On 06/25/2013 01:34 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote: >Hi, > >Emil suggested that the default, "MTI", mechanism for mapping RTP data >to m- lines should be based on PT. Applications are allowed to use >whatever other mechanisms, but usage of such mechanisms must be >negotiated (or, applications need to have some other means knowing that >the other endpoint support such mechanisms). > >Q3: Do we need to specify a default, MTI, mechanism for mapping RTP >data to m- lines? > >No. This makes the assumption that all applications have the need to >map RTP data to m-lines; this assumption is not proven (and probably >cannot be - it's hard to prove a negative. It might be possible to >disprove it, though). > > > >Q4: If Q3, do we mandate applications to support, and use (unless >applications are made aware of other mechanisms supported by all >endpoints) PT for mapping received RTP media? > >If the WG disagrees with me on Q3, it might as well go down this path. >I have no strong opinion. > > > >This means that, when mapping RTP to m- lines is required (whether it >is always mandated is discussed in another thread), within a BUNDLE >group each PT value must be unique to an individual m- line. > >NOTE: If your answer to Q3 is "yes", but your answer to Q4 is "no", >please indicate which mechanism you prefer :) > >Regards, > >Christer > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >mmusic mailing list > >mmusic@ietf.org<mailto:mmusic@ietf.org> > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
- [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map RTP d… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map R… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map R… Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map R… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map R… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map R… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map R… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map R… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map R… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map R… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map R… Colin Perkins
- Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map R… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map R… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map R… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map R… Colin Perkins
- Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map R… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map R… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map R… Colin Perkins
- Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map R… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map R… Colin Perkins
- Re: [MMUSIC] DECISION: Default mechanism to map R… Paul Kyzivat