Re: [MMUSIC] [ALU] Shepherd's review ofdraft-ietf-mmusic-data-channel-sdpneg-11
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] [ALU] Shepherd's review ofdraft-ietf-mmusic-data-channel-sdpneg-11
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On 4/21/17 9:50 AM, Bo Burman wrote: > Hi Raju, > > Unless someone strongly objects, and given that a) 4566bis is nowhere > near to RFC status, b) there are other documents that make use of the > new template, without normatively referencing 4566bis, and c) that we > have documents with dependencies on -sdpneg that we want to progress and > avoid becoming stuck in RFC Editor’s queue in MISSREF, I still believe > that it would be better to make it an informative reference. I don't see a need for a normative reference to 4566bis. OTOH, AFAIK there is nothing to prevent 4566bis from going to WGLC *today*. It just needs for the motion to be made. I'm interested to hear about this from the chairs. Thanks, Paul > Cheers, > > /Bo > > > > *From:* Makaraju, Raju (Nokia - US) [mailto:raju.makaraju@nokia.com] > *Sent:* den 15 mars 2017 18:21 > *To:* Bo Burman <bo.burman@ericsson.com>; mmusic (mmusic@ietf.org) > <mmusic@ietf.org> > *Subject:* RE: [ALU] [MMUSIC] Shepherd's review > ofdraft-ietf-mmusic-data-channel-sdpneg-11 > > > > Hi Bo, Paul, > > Since I don’t have a strong preference one way or other, I slightly lean > towards to keeping 4566bis as a normative reference for the mentioned > reason ‘use of new template defined by 4566bis’. > > I assume the impact of this being both must get RFC status simultaneously!? > > Do you know if 4566bis is close to RFC status? > > > > Bo, really appreciate bringing these comments to our attention! > > > > Thanks > > Raju > > > > *From:* Bo Burman [mailto:bo.burman@ericsson.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:11 AM > *To:* Makaraju, Raju (Nokia - US) <raju.makaraju@nokia.com > <mailto:raju.makaraju@nokia.com>>; mmusic (mmusic@ietf.org > <mailto:mmusic@ietf.org>) <mmusic@ietf.org <mailto:mmusic@ietf.org>> > *Subject:* RE: [ALU] [MMUSIC] Shepherd's review > ofdraft-ietf-mmusic-data-channel-sdpneg-11 > > > > Hi Raju, > > > > I should probably have remembered also this in my “unaddressed” list > below, but I put a question to the list to change 4566bis from normative > to informative reference > (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/mmusic/8TZ_yX45geKewDqgHCv1HmURC-I), > which seemed acceptable to Paul K, but so far no one else answered. What > is the author’s view on this? > > > > /Bo > > > > *From:* Makaraju, Raju (Nokia - US) [mailto:raju.makaraju@nokia.com] > *Sent:* den 13 mars 2017 22:57 > *To:* Bo Burman <bo.burman@ericsson.com > <mailto:bo.burman@ericsson.com>>; mmusic (mmusic@ietf.org > <mailto:mmusic@ietf.org>) <mmusic@ietf.org <mailto:mmusic@ietf.org>> > *Subject:* RE: [ALU] [MMUSIC] Shepherd's review > ofdraft-ietf-mmusic-data-channel-sdpneg-11 > > > > Hi Bo, > >> It was a bit unclear if it was some kind of quote from somewhere, > which is also commonly indicated by such indentation. I suggest just > making it explicit that it is a note, starting the first line > >>with “Note: ”. > > > > Will do. Thanks. > > > > BR > > Raju > > > > *From:* Bo Burman [mailto:bo.burman@ericsson.com] > *Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2017 6:30 AM > *To:* Makaraju, Raju (Nokia - US) <raju.makaraju@nokia.com > <mailto:raju.makaraju@nokia.com>>; mmusic (mmusic@ietf.org > <mailto:mmusic@ietf.org>) <mmusic@ietf.org <mailto:mmusic@ietf.org>> > *Subject:* RE: [ALU] [MMUSIC] Shepherd's review > ofdraft-ietf-mmusic-data-channel-sdpneg-11 > > > > Hi Raju, > > > > Regarding: > > 9) In Appendix A.1: Why are two paragraphs starting with “For data > channels negotiated” indented compared to other text? Is it supposed to > be some kind of note? > > */[Raju] Yes, meant to be a note. Need to change indentation? Or change > to some other style?/* > > > > It was a bit unclear if it was some kind of quote from somewhere, which > is also commonly indicated by such indentation. I suggest just making it > explicit that it is a note, starting the first line with “Note: ”. > > > > /Bo > > > > *From:* Makaraju, Raju (Nokia - US) [mailto:raju.makaraju@nokia.com] > *Sent:* den 13 mars 2017 02:52 > *To:* Bo Burman <bo.burman@ericsson.com > <mailto:bo.burman@ericsson.com>>; mmusic (mmusic@ietf.org > <mailto:mmusic@ietf.org>) <mmusic@ietf.org <mailto:mmusic@ietf.org>> > *Subject:* RE: [ALU] [MMUSIC] Shepherd's review > ofdraft-ietf-mmusic-data-channel-sdpneg-11 > > > > Hi Bo Burman, Christian Groves, Paul Kyzivat, > > > > Thank you so much for your time in making this document better, we > appreciate it. Sorry for the extended delay. > > I accepted all the comments. > > Please see my comments inserted below. > > > > Thanks again > > Raju > > > > > > *From:* mmusic [mailto:mmusic-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Bo Burman > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 28, 2017 10:11 AM > *To:* mmusic (mmusic@ietf.org <mailto:mmusic@ietf.org>) <mmusic@ietf.org > <mailto:mmusic@ietf.org>> > *Subject:* [ALU] [MMUSIC] Shepherd's review > ofdraft-ietf-mmusic-data-channel-sdpneg-11 > > > > Authors, WG, > > > > I think this document is getting ready for publication request. As part > of making the shepherd’s write-up, I have the following comments, to be > addressed in an updated document: > > > > Issues: > > 1) In section 1: add that also BFCP (Binary Floor Control > Protocol) is used in the same way as MSRP in examples. > > */[Raju] Will add BFCP./* > > 2) In 5.1.1.1, dcmap-stream-id = 1*DIGIT allows infinite length of > this identifier, which seems inappropriate. I suggest providing a > maximum length, maybe matching this to the unsigned 16 bit integer in > SCTP (RFC 4960), in which case 1*5DIGIT should be sufficient. > > */[Raju] Will change as suggested./* > > 3) In 5.1.1.1, quoted-visible ABNF syntax is incorrect, missing “x” > after “%” when defining hex characters. Change to: > quoted-visible = %x21 / %x23-24 / %x26-7E ; VCHAR without " or % > > */[Raju] Will change as suggested./* > > 4) In 5.1.2.1, text below the example makes reference to MSRP > subprotocol, but the example does not explicitly include any MSRP. The > single example line uses “accept-types”, which is admittedly related to > MSRP, but I think this should be clarified to avoid confusion for > readers not familiar with MSRP. > > */[Raju] Will change “Example” to “Example (other MSRP related SDP > attributes are omitted for brevity):”/* > > 5) In 5.2.2: It is unclear why you differentiate handling of offers > and answers that contain both “max-retr” and “max-time”, mandating to > reject the offer but allowing it in the answer. I think allowing this > asymmetry should either be motivated, or handling should be aligned > between offer and answer. > > */[Raju] I think it was thought giving a bit of flexibility to offerer > while receiving answer is probably good but I see your point on aligning > both. Will change text to align both./* > > 6) In section 6: several examples uses IP addresses that are not > aligned with RFC 6890 (10.10.10.x), which must be changed. > Allowed ranges are 192.0.2.0/24 (TEST-NET-1), 198.51.100.0/24 > (TEST-NET-2), or 203.0.113.0/24 (TEST-NET-3). > > */[Raju] Will change as suggested. /* > > 7) In Appendix A: same IP address issue as above, change from > 79.97.215.79 to an address in the allowed range. > > */[Raju] Will change as suggested. /* > > > > Nits: > > 1) The date line in the document header is one character too long > (beyond column 72) > > */[Raju] Good catch! Hmmm… not sure how it is getting messed up as the > it is supposed to be an auto generated line. Anyway, I just checked the > new updated draft at /*https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org*/and output looks > good./* > > 2) In section 1: s/In future data channels could/In the future, > data channels could/ > > */[Raju] Will change as suggested. /* > > 3) In section 3: s/sending and receive data/sending and receiving data/ > > */[Raju] Will change as suggested. /* > > 4) At the very end of section 5.1.2.1: s/in the same document, > which registers/in the same document that registers/ > > */[Raju] Will change as suggested. /* > > 5) In 5.2.4: s/other data channels which are now not included/other > data channels that are now not included/ > > */[Raju] Will change as suggested./* > > 6) In 5.2.5: s/channels are expected be closed now/channels are > expected to be closed now/ > > */[Raju] Will change as suggested./* > > 7) In 8.3: s/dcsa usage level only shall use/dcsa usage level only > SHALL use/ > > */[Raju] Will change as suggested./* > > 8) In Appendix A.1: s/either pass to the data channel stack the > stream identifier to assign/either pass the stream identifier to the > data channel stack to assign/ > > */[Raju] Will change as suggested./* > > 9) In Appendix A.1: Why are two paragraphs starting with “For data > channels negotiated” indented compared to other text? Is it supposed to > be some kind of note? > > */[Raju] Yes, meant to be a note. Need to change indentation? Or change > to some other style?/* > > > > Comments from others that are not addressed in -11: > > 1) Christian Groves commented on Jan 20 that the example in > Appendix A should contain an “a=dtls-id:…” attribute as per other > examples in the draft. > > */[Raju] Will add a=dtls-id./* > > 2) Paul Kyzivat commented on Jan 21 that a bullet in section 5.2.3 > should be changed to: > o For accepted data channels, the agent MUST create peer instances > for the data channels using the SCTP stream identifiers and > channel parameters contained in the SDP offer. > > */[Raju] Will change as suggested./* > > */ /* > > */Thanks/* > > */raju/* > > > > Cheers, > > /Bo > > MMUSIC co-chair > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > mmusic mailing list > mmusic@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic >
- Re: [MMUSIC] [ALU] Shepherd's review ofdraft-ietf… Bo Burman
- Re: [MMUSIC] [ALU] Shepherd's review ofdraft-ietf… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] [ALU] Shepherd's review ofdraft-ietf… Flemming Andreasen
- Re: [MMUSIC] [ALU] Shepherd's review ofdraft-ietf… Paul Kyzivat
- [MMUSIC] Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-mmusic-d… Bo Burman
- Re: [MMUSIC] [ALU] Shepherd's review ofdraft-ietf… Makaraju, Raju (Nokia - US)
- Re: [MMUSIC] [ALU] Shepherd's review ofdraft-ietf… Bo Burman
- Re: [MMUSIC] [ALU] Shepherd's review ofdraft-ietf… Makaraju, Raju (Nokia - US)
- Re: [MMUSIC] [ALU] Shepherd's review ofdraft-ietf… Bo Burman
- Re: [MMUSIC] [ALU] Shepherd's review ofdraft-ietf… Makaraju, Raju (Nokia - US)
- Re: [MMUSIC] [ALU] Shepherd's review ofdraft-ietf… Bo Burman