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Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE: Splitting a BUNDLE

Suhas Nandakumar <suhasietf@gmail.com> Thu, 23 May 2013 08:17 UTC

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From: Suhas Nandakumar <suhasietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE: Splitting a BUNDLE
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+ 1
If the Answerer decides to move the m=line to a different BUNDLE group, i
support rejecting and re-offering than doing 1 or 2 above,

Thanks
Suhas

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com> wrote:

> Agree completely. Otherwise media may show up at an unexpected port for
> the offerer.
>
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Cullen Jennings (fluffy) <
> fluffy@cisco.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 14, 2013, at 6:01 AM, Christer Holmberg <
>> christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> >>>> We seem to have an agreement that, when an SDP offer contains an m-
>> >>>> line associated with a bundle group, it is ok to leave that m- line
>> >>>> outside the bundle group in the SDP Answer.
>> >>>>
>> >>> Now, there has been some discussions about b>
>> >>> Yes, this is the conclusion I reached. I wish it weren't true. But I
>> >>> think there must be a mechanism for the new bundle to be rejected, and
>> >>> if it is first proposed in the answer then that isn't possible.
>> >>>
>> >>> IMO this is a rare enough case that suffering another O/A is
>> acceptable.
>> >>
>> >> I agree with Paul here.
>> >
>> > Me too :)
>> >
>> >> Allowing a new group (bundle) to be created in an answer is a much
>> larger deviation from RFC 5888 than allowing an m= line with a zero port to
>> be in a group, and the accept/reject problem can't be solved.
>> >
>> > Note that there are two cases:
>> >
>> > 1) A new bundle is created in the answer
>> >
>> > 2) An m- line is moved from bundle_x in the offer to bundle_y in the
>> answer. bundle_y was also present in the offer, so it is not created by the
>> answerer.
>> >
>> > In my opinion 2) should not be allowed either, as the m- line was not
>> present in bundle_y in the offer.
>> >
>>
>> Agree with you and to say more …
>>
>> I think that both 1 and 2 should *not* be allowed. There is no use case
>> to drive needing them and it is complicated. That can be done with a new
>> offer if needed.
>>
>>
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Christer
>> >
>> >
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