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Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Nils Ohlmeier <nohlmeier@mozilla.com> Fri, 04 May 2018 23:32 UTC

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From: Nils Ohlmeier <nohlmeier@mozilla.com>
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Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 16:32:42 -0700
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Cc: Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com>, "mmusic-chairs@ietf.org" <mmusic-chairs@ietf.org>, mmusic WG <mmusic@ietf.org>, "ice@ietf.org" <ice@ietf.org>, "rtcweb@ietf.org" <rtcweb@ietf.org>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip@ietf.org>
To: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] [rtcweb] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Hi Christer,

> On May 4, 2018, at 00:07, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:
> 
> 2) Trickle ICE is based on 5245bis, and I think (please correct me if I¹m
> wrong) that one must implement draft-5245bis in order to be able to
> implement trickle according to the spec.

Chrome and Firefox both have implemented trickle without supporting 5245bis.
So it works fine if one just implements 5245.
Although I guess by the true definition of the hopefully soon published trickle RFC neither of these have implemented trickle correct, as they both don’t support the new 3rd nomination algorithm.

  Nils Ohlmeier

> 
> Finally, an editorial nit.
> 
> Section 13.5.2.1 says:
> 
>   "The candidate details are specified in an IceCandidate field, using
>    the same SDP syntax as the "candidate-attribute" field defined in
>    [RFC5245], Section 15.1."
> 
> There is no "candidate-attribute" field. I suggest
> s/"candidate-attribute"/"candidate" attribute
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Christer
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 03/05/18 20:32, "Christer Holmberg" <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com <mailto:christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>> Have you looked at the RFC editor note Adam entered for jsep?
>>> 
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtcweb-jsep/writeup/  (scoll
>>> down)
>> 
>> No, I haven't. I didn't know it was there. Sorry for that.
>> 
>> I will take a look.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Christer
>> 
>>> On May 3, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Christer Holmberg
>>> <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>>> This isn't simply an issue of what we reference but which protocol
>>>> we expect people to implement, as they are non-identical.
>>> 
>>> Sure. But, my comment was on Ben¹s message that we¹ll ask the RFC
>>> editor to change the references.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Christer
>>> 
>> 
> 
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