Re: [MMUSIC] Faster ICE by role reversal?

Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> Mon, 10 November 2014 02:37 UTC

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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] Faster ICE by role reversal?
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On 10.11.14, 2:28, Varun Singh wrote:
>> 1. Ability for ICE to yield multiple paths
>> >2. The ability to use these paths simultaneously or exclusively
>> >3. Switching between available paths with no non-ICE signalling
> do you mean: switching between paths with ICE signalling?

Yes. With only media-path signalling.

> In the case of MPRTP, the scheduling algorithm/congestion controller
> can make the decision on which paths to use.
> However, if it is single RTP, then switching from one to another makes sense.

Well ... I am expecting that if and when we do come up with Multipath 
ICE we would have the option for endpoints/applications to decide 
whether those paths are meant to be used together or separately. So 
MPRTP could simply go for the aggregate option.

Emil


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