Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE TEXT: Answerer Procedures (29th May)

Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> Thu, 30 May 2013 08:27 UTC

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From: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE TEXT: Answerer Procedures (29th May)
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Hi Kevin,

> Can we add that the answerer must also ensure that it can de-mulitplex the media it will receive? That is, it must either agree 
> to a de-mulitplex scheme that was offered (either in the SDP, such as SSRC signalling,  or external signalling) or ensure that 
> there is no PT overlap in the bundle by not including certain PTs or by unbundling one or more m-lines.

For sure we will have to add text also about that. The reason I didn't add anything yet is because we don't have a clear outcome of that discussion yet :)

Thanks!

Regards,

Christer



On 30 May 2013 07:27, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:
Hi,

> This seems good to me, pending polishing the language.
>
> I trust when you say "address information" you mean:
> - the port in the m-line
> - the address in the c-line
> - associated ICE information
>
> Obviously it would be cumbersome to mention all of that each time you need to refer to address information. So I'm expecting you will coin a term (e.g., "address information") and provide a definition of it.
Yes. There is going to be a separate section which describes that more in detail.

Thanks!

Regards,

Christer




On 5/29/13 7:39 AM, Christer Holmberg wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Based on the e-mail and interim discussions, I've tried together some
> "Answerer Procedures" text for BUNDLE.
>
> For now, I would request that people mainly focus on the technical
> stuff, and if some text is unclear. I WILL align the usage of "m="
> line and "media description" :)
>
> Also note that examples will be added later.
>
> Regards,
>
> Christer
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> 6.4.  Answerer Procedures
>
> 6.4.1.  General
>
>     This section describes how an Answerer, when it receives an SDP
> Offer
>
>     including a BUNDLE group, generates the associated SDP Answer.
>
>     When an Answerer receives an SDP Offer which includes a BUNDLE
> group,
>
>     and the Answerer accepts the offered BUNDLE group, the Answerer
> MUST
>
>     generate an SDP Answer according to the procedures in Section 6.1
> and
>
>     this section.
>
> 6.4.2.  RFC 5888 restrictions
>
>     Based on the rules and procedures in RFC 5888, the following
>
>     restrictions also apply to BUNDLE groups in SDP Answers:
>
>     o  1) A BUNDLE group must not be added to an SDP Answer, unless
> the
>
>        same BUNDLE group was included in the associated SDP Offer; and
>
>     o  2) An SDP "m=" line must not be added to a BUNDLE group in the
> SDP
>
>        Answer, unless it in the associated SDP Offer was included in
> the
>
>        same BUNDLE group.
>
> 6.4.3.  Offerer Bundle Address Selection
>
>     In the SDP Answer, the Answerer selects the bundle address for the
>
>     Offerer, based on the address information received in the
> associated
>
>     SDP Offer, using the mid value.  The mid value associated with the
>
>     "m=" line in the SDP Offer that represents the bundle address MUST
> in
>
>     the SDP Answer be located first in the mid value list added to SDP
>
>     group:BUNDLE attribute associated with the BUNDLE group.
>
>     From the associated SDP Offer, the Answerer SHOULD choose the
> bundle
>
>     address associated with the mid value located first in the mid
> value
>
>     list included in the SDP group:BUNDLE attribute associated with
> the
>
>     BUNDLE group, unless:
>
>     o  1) The mid value represents an "m=" line with a port zero value
> in
>
>        the SDP Offer; or
>
>     o  2) The mid value represents an "m=" line with a port zero value
> in
>
>        the SDP Answer.
>
>     OPEN: The decision for allowing a media description with port zero
>
>     values inside a BUNDLE group is pending on update for RFC 5888.
>
> 6.4.4.  Answerer Bundle Address Selection
>
>     In the SDP Answer, the Answerer selects its local bundle address.
>
>     Each "m=" line included in a BUNDLE group MUST contain identical
>
>     address information.  The only exception is the usage of a zero
> port
>
>     value for an "m=" line, which is allowed eventhough another port
>
>     value number is used for other "m=" lines in the BUNDLE group.
>
>     OPEN: The decision for allowing a media description with port zero
>
>     values inside a BUNDLE group is pending on update for RFC 5888.
>
>     In a subsequent SDP Answer, the Answerer MAY change its local
> bundle
>
>     address, as long as each "m=" line included the BUNDLE group
> contain
>
>     identical address information.
>
>     For a given BUNDLE group, the Answerer MUST NOT assign the bundle
>
>     address to "m=" lines that are not included the BUNDLE group, or
> to
>
>     "m=" lines that are included in another BUNDLE group.
>
> 6.4.5.  Rejecting A BUNDLE Media Description
>
>     When generating the SDP Answer, if the Answerer wants to reject
> media
>
>     associated with an "m=" line in the BUNDLE group, it will add a
> zero
>
>     port number value to the "m=" line, according to the procedures
>
>     defined in RFC 3264.
>
>     OPEN ISSUE: It is FFS whether it is allowed to include a port zero
>
>     media descriptions in a BUNDLE group.
>
> 6.4.6.  Removing a media description from a BUNDLE group
>
>     When generating the SDP Answer, if the Answerer wants to remove an
>
>     "m=" line from a BUNDLE group (without rejecting the "m=" line),it
>
>     MUST NOT include the "m=" line in a BUNDLE group.  In addition,
> the
>
>     SDP Answer MUST not add its local bundle address to the "m=" line.
>
>     An Answerer MUST NOT, in the SDP Answer, remove an "m=" line from
> a
>
>     BUNDLE group, unless the "m=" line had unique address information
> in
>
>     the associated SDP Offer.
>
>     NOTE: The reason for the restriction above is that, if the "m="
> line
>
>     would be removed from the BUNDLE group, the address information
> would
>
>     be identical to the "m=" lines remaining in the BUNDLE group.
>
>     OPEN: The decision for allowing a media description with port zero
>
>     values inside a BUNDLE group is pending on update for RFC 5888.
>
>
>
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