Re: [mpls] Update to the bullets on the first page of my review of draft-song-mpls-extension-header-09

Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> Thu, 08 September 2022 15:00 UTC

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Subject: Re: [mpls] Update to the bullets on the first page of my review of draft-song-mpls-extension-header-09
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Tony,

Ah, ok! That makes sense!

/Loa

On 2022-09-08 16:09, Tony Li wrote:
> 
> Loa,
> 
> This could go in either document.  However, I see no need for redundancy.
> 
> Tony
> 
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2022, at 2:20 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
>>
>> Tony,
>>
>> I'm fine with your proposed text for the framework.
>>
>> What I don't understand is why we should not add something to the requirements also.
>>
>> /Loa
>>
>> On 2022-09-05 19:13, Tony Li wrote:
>>> John,
>>>>   Should we also add that the definition of a network action MUST specify its interaction with all other currently defined network actions?
>>> You want deterministic semantics too? :-)
>>> I can live with that.  Revised text:
>>>     For MNA to be consistent across implementations and predictable
>>>     in operational environments, its semantics need to be entirely
>>>     predictable. A solution MUST specify a deterministic order for
>>>     processing each of the Network Actions in a packet. Each Network
>>>     Action must specify how it interacts with all other previously
>>>     defined Network Actions.
>>> Tony
>>
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