Re: [mpls] Update to the bullets on the first page of my review of draft-song-mpls-extension-header-09

Tony Li <tony.li@tony.li> Thu, 08 September 2022 14:09 UTC

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Subject: Re: [mpls] Update to the bullets on the first page of my review of draft-song-mpls-extension-header-09
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Loa,

This could go in either document.  However, I see no need for redundancy.

Tony


> On Sep 8, 2022, at 2:20 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
> 
> Tony,
> 
> I'm fine with your proposed text for the framework.
> 
> What I don't understand is why we should not add something to the requirements also.
> 
> /Loa
> 
> On 2022-09-05 19:13, Tony Li wrote:
>> John,
>>>  Should we also add that the definition of a network action MUST specify its interaction with all other currently defined network actions?
>> You want deterministic semantics too? :-)
>> I can live with that.  Revised text:
>>    For MNA to be consistent across implementations and predictable
>>    in operational environments, its semantics need to be entirely
>>    predictable. A solution MUST specify a deterministic order for
>>    processing each of the Network Actions in a packet. Each Network
>>    Action must specify how it interacts with all other previously
>>    defined Network Actions.
>> Tony
> 
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