Re: [mpowr] SUMMARY: Mailing List Management Discussion

[Alex Rousskov <[e-mail]>]

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Margaret Wasserman wrote:

> But, I was not completely certain whether to place you in the "for"
> or "against" category for purposes of gauging consensus on the idea
> that WG chairs should be allowed to temporarily revoke the posting
> privileges of disruptive participants,

I probably belong to the weird IETF minority that does not necessarily
have a well-formed "for" or "against" opinion at the start of a
discussion. I like to play devils advocate, sometimes against self.
This naturally makes it hard to summarize consensus based on a
unstructured discussion, but Robert complained enough about that
already :-).

> The rest of your most recent post makes it pretty clear that you
> would agree with a set of rules that would allow WG chairs to
> temporarily suspend the posting privileges of disruptive posters,
> with appropriate warnings, AD approval and the possibility of
> appeal.  Is that a fair interpretation?

I agree that the above are basic principles we should built upon.

I would also add "WG rough consensus" as the most important principle.
Since disruptions make forming and gauging consensus difficult, we
have a conflict that we would have to resolve with more fast-acting
power given to either the Chair or the participant in question. The
specifics of the proposal would make this choice clear.

For example, Marshall's draft-mrose-ietf-posting gives more
fast-acting power to the participant while using a long-term
punishment to balance things off. The rules I posted give more
fast-acting power to the Chair while using a short-term punishment.

Marshall's rules essentially assume that the disruption disease is
usually very difficult to identify correctly, and that sick
participants cannot be "cured". The rules I posted assume that most
disruptions are easy to identify, and that sick participants will be
cured by (or die from) a simple treatment. Neither of the assumptions
is going to be 100% true, of course.

Alex.

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