Re: [mpowr] Re: Getting Bad Ideas to Fail Early

David Partain <david.partain@ericsson.com> Fri, 13 February 2004 09:08 UTC

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Hi all,

Thanks for the comments, James.  I've cut out previous
conversations since this discussion seems to live on its own.

On Friday 30 January 2004 22.57, James Kempf wrote:
> I think we need to make a distinction between the IESG approving publishing
> a document, as currently, and a change where an individual AD could approve
> a document. I can see a process where, if the reviews come in good and the
> WG agrees to make any proposed changes, an individual AD is allowed to
> simply approve publication without requiring the entire IESG to review or
> even to have to read the reviewers comments. This could save the IESG a lot
> of work.

This is certainly worth considering.  As long as we can assure
credible cross-area review and subsequent consensus with the
working group, the streamlining effect of this might be a
very good thing.  It might be good in such a process if the
IESG at least gets a heads up and 5 minute rundown on the
document during the telechat before it goes through.  If it
raises any red flags at that point, the person who's concerned
gets X days to look at and comment on the document or it just
moves on.  Maybe I'm endowing the IESG with too much wisdom,
but it seems very important to me to have some entity with
the Ultimate Sanity Check authority.

> I can't see a case where the document gets approved automatically
> without the AD's involvement.

We agree.

> I believe there will always be an element of
> judgement in deciding whether the reviews were adequate, the WG's response
> was appropriate, etc. that one would want to have a knowledgable human in
> the loop for publication approval.

Absolutely.

Cheers,

David

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