Re: [Mtgvenue] visa situation... worsens?

Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> Fri, 24 March 2017 17:42 UTC

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On 3/24/17 10:36, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) wrote:
> 1. Other orgs such as maawg, ieee, W3C and I'm sure there are many others I don't know that also hold meetings in the US and have similar demographics to their attendees. The IEEE runs a lot of meetings per year and must have also been discussing this topic.


The W3C WebPayments WG is presently holding a two-day face-to-face 
interim meeting in Chicago, with approximately 40 people in attendance. 
According to the responsible W3C staff member, we had one person who was 
interested in attending but could not due to visa issues; however, in 
that specific case, the problem in obtaining a visa was due solely to 
timing rather than any recent US policy changes (i.e., the person would 
have had exactly the same problem one year ago).

Sample size of 40 is admittedly small; but based on this data set, the 
number of participants affected by the recent policy US visa changes 
resolves to 0%. The number of people impacted by chronic, ongoing US 
visa process is 1 in ~40.

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