Re: [multipathtcp] draft-boucadair-mptcp-plain-mode-07

Olivier Bonaventure <olivier.bonaventure@tessares.net> Fri, 27 May 2016 07:38 UTC

Return-Path: <olivier.bonaventure@tessares.net>
X-Original-To: multipathtcp@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: multipathtcp@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B5E12D10F for <multipathtcp@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 27 May 2016 00:38:11 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.601
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=tessares-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y2XQbFMG5V9o for <multipathtcp@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 27 May 2016 00:38:09 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-wm0-x22b.google.com (mail-wm0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8CC9712D0E1 for <multipathtcp@ietf.org>; Fri, 27 May 2016 00:38:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-wm0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id z87so2121142wmh.1 for <multipathtcp@ietf.org>; Fri, 27 May 2016 00:38:08 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tessares-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=L8/2RkMtXjqRL5LTETpoDgoi0306U3J2syrS/OYuWxo=; b=CxMb80Z6FBSzuGq5859/yjpSPFWvAEomXcNdHzQO5s7fUmiiAQltHBeEUah9iIxgkn l9jyZyX8taSjEHOk1OzjJ1VsYU0+mRcSSQKGfi/oR85AJvOiI3txfcjAuAQs/ZUg9brS gihoBz7XTAW42zoYyeIdUMAd6RigAyC1Fr7WurF2hJQKDo5h9tu+40rDBKWDigeQ/12y hpfyvpCV92MG3Q2X1KktTVHfcokEvzs/xhEOyYqddxTc/LSiIkZKis5qlu0DXD4MGgNg qoEuOCSC5T6CrCTCT8TnQ6LkPHlba2EspZvfgZSmOSP9LXSN679BGFXX5ehkwk92Bjqt 0fww==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=L8/2RkMtXjqRL5LTETpoDgoi0306U3J2syrS/OYuWxo=; b=Kk35VNrvgJKqIM7x4XCrFk1wKvdvb9Im0efkFFbJNAkzEYBt+/9vrmgJ5OdkZHoI/g 10gbe7Hpd7ZFBt/OQRaoeKnrWGMiNAQL+Yx6symsPLX23sqr+l1IB5pa0pUl0j8v36LZ tSY8FsHdm+O9jFeByv23ZEGpHQam2SDY1DvmsYTD90SoxcnPcWyYuqkLXdUkuMFuvDd+ kBkao1TA2RtFpoPi9dcWHAqzP/YAUl49boapxBe6sB5zn8+Ea5WrrFgmr+Gh0W95k7DT 4/ZkSofV2b0NeT7R5ZD9oLwoFReXzrB8glTwBliUvaI39O8pOTwPmLTmsTsWvUr41drL TfHQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIZxlTZKTtn0yyICZIL1e/i5UFDLGVjJSn4YGkOrKZgmyH/gezK5w76ijBoDLlMrhWvHF3YFOT0GG+oyjvSZgtgJ7R9QUVUjzgsNPXz1euK4PMdoGKUAEoPTWxrHeg=
X-Received: by 10.28.131.80 with SMTP id f77mr7755790wmd.80.1464334687087; Fri, 27 May 2016 00:38:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mbpobo.local ([130.104.228.16]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m7sm7250186wma.10.2016.05.27.00.38.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 27 May 2016 00:38:06 -0700 (PDT)
To: Yoshifumi Nishida <nishida@sfc.wide.ad.jp>
References: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933008D847E7@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <CAO249yekw+kXPcwW5GrRTvDg58UUrQwXzdpt41aaG4BwQSca-A@mail.gmail.com> <db20ba55-b81f-87eb-12b7-46f271d6c258@uclouvain.be> <CAO249yc6pDWHN51x8TKS6HXLACcYQQUbzxcZ_heSsz_EWxPZOQ@mail.gmail.com> <575143cc-a048-ef80-6fb8-c3fe88a1c777@tessares.net> <CAO249ydkV_4VTqUDmZjyDtfdV6bSzBHYt4oJhVm0vZDM5sXqTQ@mail.gmail.com>
From: Olivier Bonaventure <olivier.bonaventure@tessares.net>
Message-ID: <0cc05e33-4bde-21ec-d33d-9badd4601240@tessares.net>
Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 09:38:07 +0200
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <CAO249ydkV_4VTqUDmZjyDtfdV6bSzBHYt4oJhVm0vZDM5sXqTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format="flowed"
Archived-At: <http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/multipathtcp/uRHcod9acGuWn19zyyCrpkh9nvk>
Cc: MultiPath WG <multipathtcp@ietf.org>, "draft-boucadair-mptcp-plain-mode@ietf.org" <draft-boucadair-mptcp-plain-mode@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [multipathtcp] draft-boucadair-mptcp-plain-mode-07
X-BeenThere: multipathtcp@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17
Precedence: list
List-Id: Multi-path extensions for TCP <multipathtcp.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/multipathtcp>, <mailto:multipathtcp-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/multipathtcp/>
List-Post: <mailto:multipathtcp@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:multipathtcp-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multipathtcp>, <mailto:multipathtcp-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 07:38:11 -0000

Yoshifumi,

>
>
>     Since the mapping is between a TCP connection (UDP flow) and an
>     MPTCP connection, it applies for all the subflows of the MPTCP
>     connection automatically. I'm not in favor of changing the mapping
>     during the lifetime of an MPTCP connection, it leads to
>     implementation complexity that are not worth the effort given that
>     we can establish another MPTCP connection bound to another flow.
>
>
> I see. Sorry. I might be confused by the name of Concentrator..
>
> Then, my another question is if we can do the same thing with
> application level.
> I am wondering if we can write an application gateway for CPE and
> Concentrator to send mapping information just like PM option, (and do
> some segmentation tasks as well) so that we can mitigate middlebox
> interventions.

The closest solution in the application level is SOCKS. This is what KT 
is doing in Korea and what OVH is deploying for their OverTheBox 
solution. Both do this on top of MPTCP.


Olivier

-- 

------------------------------
DISCLAIMER.
This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended 
solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 
If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. 
This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the 
individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not 
disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender 
immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and 
delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient 
you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any 
action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly 
prohibited.