Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-versioning" drafts
Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> Mon, 05 June 2023 12:07 UTC
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Subject: Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-versioning" drafts
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Hi Martin! > I think you meant https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-next/issues/49. Yes but, in spirit of the idea, I suppose both would be in play, if at all. >> IMO the parsing of YANG files to produce a conceptual data model >> is a critical component of the language itself. Any statements that >> affect this conversion step MUST be regular statements. >> An extension is (by definition) an external statement that is not part of >> the YANG language. >> Critical extensions are not a good design choice. > > I strongly agree. Allowing the language to drastically change (like > in this example) by just defining a critical extension is not a good > idea. Basically, anyone can define their own extension that changes > YANG to whatever, and still claim conformance. I also agree, for this issue (versioning), but there may be other places where a "critical" flag would help (wit the conversation that issue generated). That said, for a limited-scope rfc7950-bis, it would be fine to not pick up either of these issues. >> Just add real statements >> instead. >> >> IMO most of the yang-next issues are not interesting or valuable, >> so a long WG process to go through this entire list is a non-starter. >> > > The problem is that everyone will have their own pet-issues that they > think are critical... > > >> There are 3 critical changes that need to be made. >> - change "status" so deprecated and obsolete definitions are >> correct > > ... for example I don't think this is critical ... > >> - introduce new instance-identifier data type based on RFC 7951 definition >> - introduce new identityref data type based on RFC 7951 definition > > ... but I do agree with these! > > > /martin Whilst the chairs haven't closed this WGLC yet, I propose a YANG-next design team, asked to produce a limited-scope I-D they think best. WG-objections of the form "my pet-issue isn't picked-up" should not be used to fail adoption (or, later, the WGLC). Of course, objections to how the specific-issues picked-up were resolved are valid. The goal being to most expediently (<1yr) forward the versioning work in a correct (contract-compliant) manner. Support? Kent
- [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-versi… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Robert Varga
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Alex Huang Feng
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Andy Bierman
- [netmod] 答复: Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Fengchong (frank)
- [netmod] YANG filenames in module versioning Jason Sterne (Nokia)
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Joe Clarke (jclarke)
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Jürgen Schönwälder
- Re: [netmod] YANG filenames in module versioning Robert Varga
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Robert Varga
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Jürgen Schönwälder
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Robert Varga
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Robert Varga
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Jürgen Schönwälder
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Jürgen Schönwälder
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… tom petch
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Martin Björklund
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Jürgen Schönwälder
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Martin Björklund
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Jürgen Schönwälder
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Martin Björklund
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… tom petch
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Joe Clarke (jclarke)
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Jürgen Schönwälder
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Robert Varga
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Jason Sterne (Nokia)
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Jason Sterne (Nokia)
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Joe Clarke (jclarke)
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Jürgen Schönwälder
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Jürgen Schönwälder
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Martin Björklund
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… tom petch
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… tom petch
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Robert Varga
- Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-v… Kent Watsen