Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-02 - 10/2/18 - 10/16/18
Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> Wed, 17 October 2018 06:52 UTC
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Subject: Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-02 - 10/2/18 - 10/16/18
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Alex Campbell <Alex.Campbell@Aviatnet.com> wrote: > I have no issue with systems using tags to classify or organize > modules, however this seems to me like something that would be > specific to the system doing the classifying. > It would not be something that needs to be specified in the module > itself (except perhaps as freeform description text), and it certainly > would not need to involve the NETCONF server. > What would a server do with module classification data? It would use it to populate the "/module-tags" list in the operational state, where operators can read the tags. /martin > (unless it is > also implementing some kind of module browsing interface, in which > case it might be used to supply the browser with data) > > Hashtags - all types, that I'm aware of - are inherently freeform and > fluid, changing quickly according to the desires of users. I don't > think it makes sense to "hard-code" them in published RFCs or even > published vendor modules or firmware. > > Tomorrow, I might want to list all modules for management plane > protocols. As a network operator, should I go and update the > ietf-module-tags on all of my network elements? That seems silly. This > should be client-side data. (And if I did, what happens when I add a > new router and forget to update its tag data? Will that confuse the > client?) > > Regards, Alex > > ________________________________________ > From: Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org> > Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2018 1:04 a.m. > To: Alex Campbell > Cc: Christian Hopps; joel jaeggli; NETMOD Working Group > Subject: Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-02 - 10/2/18 > - 10/16/18 > > > > > On Oct 3, 2018, at 8:22 PM, Alex Campbell <Alex.Campbell@Aviatnet.com> > > wrote: > > > > The introduction does not explain what they are useful for > > The second sentence of the abstract: "The expectation is for such tags > to be used to help classify and organize modules." The introduction > repeats this in the first sentence. I'm not sure how much differently > we could say "Tags are useful for organizing and classifying > modules". Are you asking for justification on the usefulness of > organizing and classifying things? I think this concept is rather > widely accepted. > > > > , it just makes a comparison to #hashtags (which is something I would > > expect to see in an April 1st RFC). > > Using tags to help organize collections of data is literally > ubiquitous: Movies/music/media, IP routes, and yes even social media > are just a few examples. Regarding April 1st, are you are unfairly > restricting your perspective to only the ironic use of hashtags? > Hashtags organically developed as a useful and widely used way for > people and groups to add meta-data to their messages which then > allowed other services to collect and present them in useful > ways. Indeed businesses and other groups use hashtags for this purpose > to great success. It was hardly a joke, and for many folks it is > immediately useful to understand what is being proposed. > > Thanks, > Chris. > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >
- [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-02 -… joel jaeggli
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Alex Campbell
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Christian Hopps
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Christian Hopps
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Christian Hopps
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Christian Hopps
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Christian Hopps
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Alex Campbell
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Christian Hopps
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Christian Hopps
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Christian Hopps
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Alex Campbell
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Christian Hopps
- Re: [netmod] EXTERNAL: Re: WG LC draft-ietf-netmo… Alex Campbell
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Christian Hopps
- Re: [netmod] WG LC draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-… Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [netmod] EXTERNAL: Re: WG LC draft-ietf-netmo… Christian Hopps