Re: [nfsv4] Virtual meeting scheduling (wasL Re: Network File System Version 4 (nfsv4) WG Virtual Meeting: 2020-07-09)

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 9:23 PM John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:

> Hi.
> Even with the "sorry, something went wrong" at the end of this
> note and the posted revision 18 minutes later (with that apology
> removed), are we really allowing a WG Interim meeting to be held
> less than 19 hours after its announcement to the IETF Announce
> list?
>

Unless I hear otherwise from Magnus, we are going ahead with this meeting,
which has been scheduled and discussed on the working group list for weeks.

> There is an obvious matter of principle

It is it not clear to me what principle you are referring to.

because

people who are
> interested in the WG's work but might not have been actively
> participating on its mailing list

I accept that there are interested people who are not actively
participating.

However, I'm having trouble understanding how someone interested in the
work of the working group can totally avoid reading the working group list.
Color me skeptical.

(assuming there more notice on
> that list)

It has.

might not be able to arrange attendance with that
> sort of notice.

If there are such people, I want to offer them my apologies.

Equally important, there has been an extended
> discussion of some of the directions of NFS on another list that
> might reasonably justify a summary or discussion on the agenda
> but presumably cannot be proposed given this short notice.
>

I'm unaware of any such discussion.  The appropriate way to make the
working group aware of it would be to send mail to the working group list.
This still should.be done.
While you might want a slot on the agenda, it might not be available, even
if you had been reading the working group list when this meeting was first
discussed.

If it should have been announced earlier but slipped through
> that cracks that is regrettable but should still not, at least
> IMO, be justification for going ahead with a meeting on such
> short notice.

My opinion is different.  I cannot see delaying at this point and
inconveniencing the working group members, who have been preparing for this
meeting for some time. This is especially so since our AD's vacation
schedule is such that the next opportunity to meet would be in September.

> thanks,
>    john
>
>
>
> --On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 14:26 -0700 IESG Secretary
> <iesg-secretary@ietf.org> wrote:
>
> > The Network File System Version 4 (nfsv4) WG will hold
> > a virtual interim meeting on 2020-07-09 from 09:00 to 11:00
> > America/Los_Angeles (16:00 to 18:00 UTC).
> >
> > Agenda:
> >
> > Who Time MS Doc Description
> > D. Noveck 5 min. N/A Introduction including NOTE WELL.
> > D. Noveck 5 min. N/A Agenda bashing.
> > S. Faibish 20 min. Yes. ? Discussion of progress and plans for
> > standards-track document describing use of NVMe  in connection
> > with pNFS. D. Noveck 5 min. N/A Discussion of overall process
> > for rfc5661bis. 5 min 2/2021 I-D Discussion of revised
> > internationalization document (for all minor versions) to be
> > referenced by rfc5661bis. 20 min. WBD
> > I-D Discussion of needed changes for new NFSv4 security
> > approach. 5 min. WBD No. Discussion of plans and status for a
> > revised NFSv4.1 specification. 5 min N/A Summary of current
> > decisions and actions necessary to move forward. C. Lever 15
> > min. 12/2020 Yes. Discussion of status and possible remaining
> > issues for RPC-over-RDMA v2. S. Faibish 15 min. TBD I-D
> > Discussion of proposed storage compression attributes and
> > associated implementation plans. D. Noveck 10 min. N/A
> > Discussion of issues with client caching of directories
> > concerning how the directory entry cookies and ordering are
> > to be managed, both in the same-client and other-client cases.
> > D. Noveck 5 min. N/A Review of document and milestone status.
> >
> > Information about remote participation:
> > https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=mef56921edfe5a931dedf78
> > 51b1507ebf
> >
> > This is supposed to be scheduled for July 9 (tomorrow) -
> > sorry, something went wrong.
> >
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