Re: [nfsv4] Going forward on I18N in RFC3530 bis

Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com> Wed, 22 September 2010 18:38 UTC

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On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 14:06 -0400, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:48:44AM -0400, david.black@emc.com wrote:
> > Dave,
> > 
> > I reviewed the i18n material in -04 (Section 12).  it looks fairly
> > good, but the details are now beyond my level of i18n expertise.  I
> > suggest that we get a real i18n expert to review this section in the
> > next version of the draft - I have a couple of candidate reviewers in
> > mind.  Many thanks for the extensive effort that has clearly gone into
> > this.
> > 
> > I have one basic disagreement that should not come as a surprise ;-)
> > ...
> > 
> > My current view of A-labels vs. U-labels is that I'm going to (try to)
> > insist on no A-labels, *unless* there is important "running code" that
> > depends on A-labels on the wire and that needs to be grandfathered.
> 
> Last time I checked, the linux referral code would only follow a
> referral if it was an A-label:
> 
> 	http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/nfsv4/current/msg07863.html
> 
> That may have changed.  However, it wouldn't be surprising if it were
> common behavior to pass the referral name directly to non-idn-aware dns
> interfaces...

The advantage of scripting is that you can easily change things when
they don't work:

getent ahostsv4 b├╝cher.com | awk '/STREAM/ { print $1; }'
82.98.86.165

Cheers
  Trond