Re: [nfsv4] Possible need for wg meeting in or after IETF 114

Chuck Lever III <chuck.lever@oracle.com> Thu, 02 June 2022 17:05 UTC

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From: Chuck Lever III <chuck.lever@oracle.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
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> On Jun 2, 2022, at 12:54 PM, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Jun 02, 2022 at 01:56:03PM +0000, Chuck Lever III wrote:
>> 
>> One more item I'd like to discuss: Is there /any/ way to get the
>> pNFS with NVMe layout draft unstuck?
> 
> We just need someone with enough interest to replace the reference
> to the NVMe to SCSI translation spec/whitepaper with proper normative
> text.

Is this something that can be handled via e-mail, or do we need f2f?


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Chuck Lever