Re: [nfsv4] Proposed charter changes (with updates)

[Tom Talpey <[e-mail]>]

Thanks for the QUIC terminology correction, previously I understood the
upper-layer specific stuff to be considered "extensions". And, at this time
none are proposed by or for NFSv4, although I suspect there will be someday.
Also it's worth noting again that this is only for cases where no WG exists.

I'll leave it to Dave to propose final text, except to suggest that to address your
preference, we might word this as 

  In cases in which there is no assigned working group, and under the coordination
  of the relevant Area Director(s), the NFSv4 WG can help develop the necessary
  extension itself.

  An extension to RDMAP, RFC5040/7306, for enhanced memory placement
  ("Push Mode") is chartered, as the first such effort.

Comments?

Tom.

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From: Magnus Westerlund <[e-mail]> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 11:44 AM
To: [e-mail]; Tom Talpey <[e-mail]>
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Proposed charter changes (with updates)

On Wed, 2020-06-03 at 14:17 +0000, Tom Talpey wrote:
> In my earlier suggest, I proposed "e.g. transport". While I don't think the WG
> needs to dive into TCP or SCTP, there is certainly an RDMA item, and I would
> foresee a possible QUIC extension someday?

So, e.g. transport is very wide. It would allow you to do a new transport
protocol which I don't think is ok. And I think you may want to do is what QUIC
working group calls a protocol mapping, rather than a QUIC extension which is an
actual extension to the QUIC protocol. 

I really prefer the charter to be quite specific on what you want to do. 

I also want to remind you that I really want to you to finish up your core items
include updates to take care of the major issues around security,
internationalization etc that the partial update to 4.1 discussed. 

Cheers

Magnus



> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Magnus Westerlund <[e-mail]> 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 9:55 AM
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> Cc: Tom Talpey <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Proposed charter changes (with updates)
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think the last sentence of the last paragraph will get comments by the IESG.
> It is a bit to much a blank check for you to go do anything which IETF doesn't
> already do. So are there ways to be more specific?
> 
> Otherwise it might be possible to add some safe guard to this sentence.
> However,
> I would actually prefer that we rather run through rechartering if you want to
> updated or extend things in areas outside of your current scope.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Magnus
> 
> On Sun, 2020-05-24 at 07:25 -0400, David Noveck wrote:
> > First of all, thanks to Daniel and Tom for corrections/suggestions.
> > 
> > I am proposing replacing the second paragraph of the extensions section
> > which
> > now reads:
> > 
> > > Similarly, associated ONC protocol components that have a versioning/
> > > extension framework can be incrementally extended, when necessary.
> > 
> > By the following two-paragraph replacement:
> > 
> > > In dealing with needed extensions to areas that underlay NFSv4, the
> > > working
> > > group's role will depend on the specific area needing extension.  In the
> > > case of associated ONC protocol components, those that have a
> > > versioning/extension framework can be incrementally extended, when
> > > necessary.
> > > 
> > > In the case of lower-layer facilities of particular importance to NFSv4,
> > > the
> > > working group will work with the responsible working group to make sure
> > > needed extensions are available.  In cases in which there is no assigned
> > > working group, it can help develop the necessary extension itself.
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Cheers
> 
> Magnus Westerlund 
> 
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Cheers

Magnus Westerlund 


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