Re: [nmrg] Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter

 Dears.

Thanks for your efforts to update the NMRG charter.
I think the proposed charter looks good and I support it.

I would like to emphasize the network artificial intelligence topic and it
is very welcome to find the topic is included in the revised charter.
I have been involved in the discussion of network artificial intelligence
from NMLRG(Network Machine Learning Research Group) and
IDNET(Intelligent Defined Network) from 2015. From that, we have spend lots
of time and effort to progress the topic but it is not easy to make a
progress.
Currently, I believe that the NMRG is an outstanding place to develop the
network artificial intelligence topic and we can identify many interest of
the topics
from participants in IETF meetings.

To efficiently develop the network artificial intelligence topic in the
NMRG, it is better to have more specific and practical goals such as
priority of candidate items
and scheduling of each item.

Best regards.

Yong-Geun.

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 4:24 PM Vishnu Ram OV <vishnu.n@ieee.org> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> Thanks for asking feedback. I support the charter.
> I can also say (from my personal experience) that some of the work items
> are quite interesting to ITU FG ML5G that I work with.
>
> Comments -
> if the group sees sufficient interest, we can add the AI challenge, that
> we discussed separately, as one of the possible work items under network
> artificial intelligence topics?
>
> Thanks,
> Vishnu
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> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 4:23 AM Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia -
> FR/Paris-Saclay) <laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Alex for the feedback on the charter. We will incorporate your
>> comments.
>>
>>
>>
>> As for the milestones:
>>
>> You are right, milestones have not been defined yet. This is not an
>> omission, rather an open/pending point.
>>
>> To my knowledge it is neither a common nor established practice to define
>> milestones for RG (HRPC has one). But the possibility exists.
>>
>> With milestones, we (NMRG chairs) wanted to express a general planning of
>> the research activities, in particular for the IBN work plan.
>>
>> Tis was also part of an initial discussion with Colin (IRTF Chair). Given
>> the items listed in the work plan and the pace at which the RG is
>> progressing, we currently think it is "challenging" to define milestones in
>> a meaningful way, and not a posteriori.
>>
>> This is a point we will discuss with Colin on the updates of the revised
>> charter.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards, Laurent.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Alexander Clemm <alex@futurewei.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 4, 2019 23:40
>> *To:* Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <
>> laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>; nmrg@irtf.org
>> *Cc:* nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; irtf-chair (irtf-chair@irtf.org) <
>> irtf-chair@irtf.org>
>> *Subject:* RE: Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I think the charter proposal looks fine overall.
>>
>>
>>
>> One nit re: “The initial focus of the NMRG will be on higher-layer
>> management services that interface with the current Internet management
>> framework.”  NMRG has a long tradition, so perhaps it is better to not
>> call it “The initial focus”, but to state “The current focus”, or perhaps
>> (not ideal) “the initial focus of the current NMRG cycle”.
>>
>>
>>
>> Likewise the statement “The NMRG will investigate in priority three
>> related topics”.  This suggests that the listed topics are in priority
>> order, which I don’t think is correct – they are simply all topics of
>> priority.  Perhaps rephrase to “The NMRG will prioritize investigation of
>> three related topics”, or similar?
>>
>>
>>
>> There is one typo: “One one hand” (should be “On one hand”).
>>
>>
>>
>> Some more minor comments FWIW (feel free to ignore):
>>
>> - Third bullet item under IBN “categorize the different forms of intents
>> and define what constitutes a “well-formed” intent; describe how an intent
>> can be expressed and what can be expressed using an intent with means such
>> as information models, grammars, and languages.”  I think that arguably
>> the categorization could be covered under terminology; perhaps this bullet
>> should simply focus on the second aspect (how to express intent), which is
>> a more open-ended problem to which several solutions may be put forward.
>>
>>
>>
>> Since no milestones are listed, is the Milestones section still needed?
>> (I assume they will be defined as working group documents get adopted.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> --- Alex
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* nmrg <nmrg-bounces@irtf.org> *On Behalf Of *Ciavaglia, Laurent
>> (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:17 AM
>> *To:* Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <
>> laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>; nmrg@irtf.org
>> *Cc:* nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; irtf-chair (irtf-chair@irtf.org) <
>> irtf-chair@irtf.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nmrg] Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> In addition to the previous email, a few additional links for your
>> convenience:
>>
>>    - Version -01 of NMRG charter:
>>    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e84-M4DEDi-LCXjLG0Wf0JhbPXVcIPm2hnFFIQPrkro/edit?usp=sharing
>>    <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1e84-M4DEDi-LCXjLG0Wf0JhbPXVcIPm2hnFFIQPrkro%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=02%7C01%7Calex%40futurewei.com%7C33241176de274246eed408d76d9a78d1%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637098382547674184&sdata=e85hgUuBg71bWNaQUL5iNwVPWrSQYuMx%2B%2BW26KP8TVM%3D&reserved=0>
>>    - Comparison between version -01 and -02:
>>    https://docs.google.com/document/d/19xidbplhn5gPr41QdeXBTh2WLhoA9kbhNieZiSh0Uyk/edit?usp=sharing
>>    <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F19xidbplhn5gPr41QdeXBTh2WLhoA9kbhNieZiSh0Uyk%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=02%7C01%7Calex%40futurewei.com%7C33241176de274246eed408d76d9a78d1%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637098382547684192&sdata=U%2BZkwEydIcU26n7GNnMQfwcCMnbr40058ChrQEXPQXs%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, to clarify:
>>
>>    - The intent of the charter revision is not a complete overhaul but
>>    more to capture more recent activities the RG has engaged into and reflect
>>    that in an update of the original charter together with a work plan.
>>
>> You can see in the comparison, that the first part (original charter) has
>> not been changed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Best regards, Laurent.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <
>> laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 20, 2019 06:46
>> *To:* nmrg@irtf.org
>> *Cc:* nmrg-chairs@irtf.org
>> *Subject:* Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi NMRG,
>>
>>
>>
>> Jérôme and I have been working on a new version of the NMRG charter to
>> capture better the current shape and activity of the RG.
>>
>>
>>
>> We'd like to receive comments from the community. This is on the agenda
>> of the session on Friday.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/14eHQALG95VHE5N-YIAwH6vriKFG2WvI8d63TtugZLgU/edit?usp=sharing
>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F14eHQALG95VHE5N-YIAwH6vriKFG2WvI8d63TtugZLgU%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=02%7C01%7Calex%40futurewei.com%7C33241176de274246eed408d76d9a78d1%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637098382547694199&sdata=LfR1fw5Q4IshxAbHRn%2F5M5AZXge6kzsL%2BFlLpbI7%2F%2B8%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Best regards, Jérôme & Laurent.
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