Re: [nmrg] Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter

Hello All,

Thanks for asking feedback. I support the charter.
I can also say (from my personal experience) that some of the work items
are quite interesting to ITU FG ML5G that I work with.

Comments -
if the group sees sufficient interest, we can add the AI challenge, that we
discussed separately, as one of the possible work items under network
artificial intelligence topics?

Thanks,
Vishnu
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On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 4:23 AM Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)
<laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com> wrote:

> Thank you Alex for the feedback on the charter. We will incorporate your
> comments.
>
>
>
> As for the milestones:
>
> You are right, milestones have not been defined yet. This is not an
> omission, rather an open/pending point.
>
> To my knowledge it is neither a common nor established practice to define
> milestones for RG (HRPC has one). But the possibility exists.
>
> With milestones, we (NMRG chairs) wanted to express a general planning of
> the research activities, in particular for the IBN work plan.
>
> Tis was also part of an initial discussion with Colin (IRTF Chair). Given
> the items listed in the work plan and the pace at which the RG is
> progressing, we currently think it is "challenging" to define milestones in
> a meaningful way, and not a posteriori.
>
> This is a point we will discuss with Colin on the updates of the revised
> charter.
>
>
>
> Best regards, Laurent.
>
>
>
> *From:* Alexander Clemm <alex@futurewei.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 4, 2019 23:40
> *To:* Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <
> laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>; nmrg@irtf.org
> *Cc:* nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; irtf-chair (irtf-chair@irtf.org) <
> irtf-chair@irtf.org>
> *Subject:* RE: Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> I think the charter proposal looks fine overall.
>
>
>
> One nit re: “The initial focus of the NMRG will be on higher-layer
> management services that interface with the current Internet management
> framework.”  NMRG has a long tradition, so perhaps it is better to not
> call it “The initial focus”, but to state “The current focus”, or perhaps
> (not ideal) “the initial focus of the current NMRG cycle”.
>
>
>
> Likewise the statement “The NMRG will investigate in priority three
> related topics”.  This suggests that the listed topics are in priority
> order, which I don’t think is correct – they are simply all topics of
> priority.  Perhaps rephrase to “The NMRG will prioritize investigation of
> three related topics”, or similar?
>
>
>
> There is one typo: “One one hand” (should be “On one hand”).
>
>
>
> Some more minor comments FWIW (feel free to ignore):
>
> - Third bullet item under IBN “categorize the different forms of intents
> and define what constitutes a “well-formed” intent; describe how an intent
> can be expressed and what can be expressed using an intent with means such
> as information models, grammars, and languages.”  I think that arguably
> the categorization could be covered under terminology; perhaps this bullet
> should simply focus on the second aspect (how to express intent), which is
> a more open-ended problem to which several solutions may be put forward.
>
>
>
> Since no milestones are listed, is the Milestones section still needed?
> (I assume they will be defined as working group documents get adopted.)
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> --- Alex
>
>
>
> *From:* nmrg <nmrg-bounces@irtf.org> *On Behalf Of *Ciavaglia, Laurent
> (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:17 AM
> *To:* Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <
> laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>; nmrg@irtf.org
> *Cc:* nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; irtf-chair (irtf-chair@irtf.org) <
> irtf-chair@irtf.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [nmrg] Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> In addition to the previous email, a few additional links for your
> convenience:
>
>    - Version -01 of NMRG charter:
>    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e84-M4DEDi-LCXjLG0Wf0JhbPXVcIPm2hnFFIQPrkro/edit?usp=sharing
>    <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1e84-M4DEDi-LCXjLG0Wf0JhbPXVcIPm2hnFFIQPrkro%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=02%7C01%7Calex%40futurewei.com%7C33241176de274246eed408d76d9a78d1%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637098382547674184&sdata=e85hgUuBg71bWNaQUL5iNwVPWrSQYuMx%2B%2BW26KP8TVM%3D&reserved=0>
>    - Comparison between version -01 and -02:
>    https://docs.google.com/document/d/19xidbplhn5gPr41QdeXBTh2WLhoA9kbhNieZiSh0Uyk/edit?usp=sharing
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>
>
> Also, to clarify:
>
>    - The intent of the charter revision is not a complete overhaul but
>    more to capture more recent activities the RG has engaged into and reflect
>    that in an update of the original charter together with a work plan.
>
> You can see in the comparison, that the first part (original charter) has
> not been changed.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
> Best regards, Laurent.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <
> laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 20, 2019 06:46
> *To:* nmrg@irtf.org
> *Cc:* nmrg-chairs@irtf.org
> *Subject:* Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter
>
>
>
> Hi NMRG,
>
>
>
> Jérôme and I have been working on a new version of the NMRG charter to
> capture better the current shape and activity of the RG.
>
>
>
> We'd like to receive comments from the community. This is on the agenda of
> the session on Friday.
>
>
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/14eHQALG95VHE5N-YIAwH6vriKFG2WvI8d63TtugZLgU/edit?usp=sharing
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>
> Thank you.
>
> Best regards, Jérôme & Laurent.
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