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Re: [Ntp] Splitting the Roughtime draft?

Daniel Franke <dfoxfranke@gmail.com> Sun, 31 January 2021 01:16 UTC

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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 20:16:17 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Ntp] Splitting the Roughtime draft?
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SGTM. Impeaching a Roughtime server should anyway be rare enough that
"write an angry blog post and submit it to Hacker News" is a scalable
enough protocol as a stopgap.

On Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 19:52 Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear WG,
>
> Right now we have interop on the wire format of version -03. What we
> don't have is a serialization format for reports of malfeasance.
>
> In order to move forward I'm considering reducing the draft to just
> the wire format for the protocol leaving the malfeasance serialization
> to a subsequent draft. This would let us start a WGLC on the parts
> that aren't going to change, and potentially accelerate deployment of
> servers and clients.
>
> I'd appreciate feedback on this plan. In particular I think some of
> the question of timing algorithm will be explicitly out of scope:
> Roughtime is intended for secure time checks and ensuring *rough*
> synchronization.
>
> Sincerely,
> Watson Ladd
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