Re: [oam] One example of an updated approach

Ronald Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net> Wed, 25 August 2010 21:41 UTC

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From: Ronald Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:40:03 -0400
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Subject: Re: [oam] One example of an updated approach
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I will try to have a draft ready by this weekend.

                     Ron

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Baker [mailto:fred@cisco.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:57 AM
> To: Ronald Bonica
> Cc: oam@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [oam] One example of an updated approach
> 
> 
> On Aug 24, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Ronald Bonica wrote:
> 
> >> From my perspective, either we continue with the "you can't talk
> with
> >> the network, only over it" paradigm, or we look at a paradigm in
> which
> >> the network can itself respond to questions. I think the latter is
> >> required if we want to do anything that is recursive.
> >>
> >
> > This question is absolutely key, and I would be very interested in
> co-authoring a paper with you that poses this question to the design
> session. If you like, I will produce a first draft and send it to you.
> 
> Sure.
> 
> Fair warning - I will be out and about, with vacation and travel next
> week, a WIDE workshop after Labor Day, and an SGIP workshop the week of
> the 13th. But you know me. I'll find it and fit it in.