Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why?
Igor Faynberg <igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com> Tue, 16 March 2010 06:48 UTC
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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why?
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That's what I have been thinking. Why is it important to sign the headers? (I am not against signing them, but I cannot see the need in the specific cases we had discussed. In other words, if I had signed the body of the request, I probably would not care if someone changed the headers.) Igor Paul Lindner wrote: > What about > http://oauth.googlecode.com/svn/spec/ext/body_hash/1.0/drafts/1/spec.html ? > > > That's in use and has been implemented in shindig for quite some time. > > That draft adds protection of the body -- I don't know of any draft > that covers signing the headers... > > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:22 PM, John Panzer <jpanzer@google.com > <mailto:jpanzer@google.com>> wrote: > > I'm confused by one "pro" for signatures: > > "Protect integrity of whole request - authorization data and > payload when communicating over unsecure channel" > > I do not believe there is an existing concrete proposal that will > protect the whole request, unless you add additional restrictions > on the request types -- e.g., only HTTP GET or POST with > form-encoded data variables only. > > If the assertion is that signatures will actually provide > integrity for arbitrary HTTP request bodies as well as the URL, > authority, and HTTP method: I would like to see at least one > concrete proposal that will accomplish this. IIRC there's only > one that I think is possibly implementable in an interoperable > way, and it supports only JSON payloads. In other words, anyone > using body signing would need to wrap their data in JSON to do it. > (This is not necessarily the worst thing in the world, of course, > but it is something to be taken into account when listing pros and > cons.) > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Torsten Lodderstedt > <torsten@lodderstedt.net <mailto:torsten@lodderstedt.net>> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I composed a detailed summary at > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/oauth/trac/wiki/SignaturesWhy. > Please review it. > > @Zachary: I also added some of your recent notes. > > regards, > Torsten. > >> I volunteer to write it up. >>> <hat type='chair'/> >>> >>> On 3/4/10 1:00 PM, Blaine Cook wrote: >>> >>>> One of the things that's been a primary focus of both today's WG call >>>> and last week's call is what are the specific use cases for >>>> signatures? >>>> >>>> - Why are signatures needed? >>>> - What do signatures need to protect? >>>> >>>> Let's try to outline the use cases! Please reply here, so that we have >>>> a good idea of what they are as we move towards the Anaheim WG. >>>> >>> This was a valuable thread. Perhaps someone could write up a summary of >>> the points raised, either on the list or at the wiki? >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OAuth mailing list >>> OAuth@ietf.org <mailto:OAuth@ietf.org> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OAuth mailing list >> OAuth@ietf.org <mailto:OAuth@ietf.org> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth >> > > > _______________________________________________ > OAuth mailing list > OAuth@ietf.org <mailto:OAuth@ietf.org> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth > > > > _______________________________________________ > OAuth mailing list > OAuth@ietf.org <mailto:OAuth@ietf.org> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > OAuth mailing list > OAuth@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth >
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Igor Faynberg
- [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Blaine Cook
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Igor Faynberg
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Dick Hardt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Brian Eaton
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Dick Hardt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Igor Faynberg
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Brian Eaton
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Torsten Lodderstedt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Igor Faynberg
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Ethan Jewett
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? John Panzer
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? John Kemp
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Ethan Jewett
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Ethan Jewett
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? John Kemp
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Leif Johansson
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Brian Eaton
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Torsten Lodderstedt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Torsten Lodderstedt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? John Panzer
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Jochen Hiller
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Brian Eaton
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Jochen Hiller
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Dick Hardt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Igor Faynberg
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? John Kemp
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Dick Hardt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Ethan Jewett
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Dick Hardt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? John Panzer
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Torsten Lodderstedt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Igor Faynberg
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Torsten Lodderstedt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Igor Faynberg
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Torsten Lodderstedt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Eve Maler
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Dick Hardt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Brian Eaton
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Igor Faynberg
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Dick Hardt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Igor Faynberg
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Eve Maler
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Zeltsan, Zachary (Zachary)
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Torsten Lodderstedt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? John Panzer
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Brian Eaton
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Paul Lindner
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Igor Faynberg
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Torsten Lodderstedt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? John Kemp
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Torsten Lodderstedt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Ethan Jewett
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Brian Eaton
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? John Panzer
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Zeltsan, Zachary (Zachary)
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? John Panzer
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Signatures, Why? Eve Maler