Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline
Justin Richer <jricher@mitre.org> Wed, 16 February 2011 20:20 UTC
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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline
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The implicit grant still requires a redirect of some kind, so many native apps can just as easily use the web server flow as the implicit flow. I personally don't see how the implicit flow is better suited than the web flow in this case. However, neither of these are ideally suited for native apps without a few tricks, which is the native apps extension that Marius is working on, to get the token back to the native app. From what I can see, the real question here is dealing with cases where a redirect doesn't actually make any sense. In those cases, I'd rather see a separate flow profiled end to end than to have hacks like the "uri:oob" put in place to patch it into an existing spot. -- Justin On 2/16/2011 3:07 PM, Brian Campbell wrote: > Exactly Marius, and in most cases the app will want to procure a > refresh token as a result of the dance so it won't have to put the > user though the authorization process again and again. Unless I'm > mistaken, the implicit grant provides no means of obtaining a refresh > token (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-oauth-v2-13#section-4.2.2) > So unless the access tokens themselves are extremely long lived, the > implicit grant flow doesn't seem very useful to native clients. > > I've heard a number of people suggest the native client -> implicit > grant thing but it doesn't make sense to me. Is there something I'm > not seeing? > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Marius Scurtescu > <mscurtescu@google.com> wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, William Mills<wmills@yahoo-inc.com> wrote: >>> Token endpoint with username/password credential doesn't solve this? Depends on the auth scheme of course, but Bearer should provide a solution? >> Not at all, in most case native apps must use the browser based 3-legged dance. >> >> Marius > _______________________________________________ > OAuth mailing list > OAuth@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth
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- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Marius Scurtescu
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- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Eran Hammer-Lahav
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Phil Hunt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Eran Hammer-Lahav
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Eran Hammer-Lahav
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Marius Scurtescu
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Eran Hammer-Lahav
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Eran Hammer-Lahav
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Marius Scurtescu
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Eran Hammer-Lahav
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline William Mills
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Marius Scurtescu
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Brian Campbell
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Justin Richer
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Eran Hammer-Lahav
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Marius Scurtescu
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Eran Hammer-Lahav
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Mark Mcgloin
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Marius Scurtescu
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Torsten Lodderstedt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Igor Faynberg
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Marius Scurtescu
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Phil Hunt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Igor Faynberg
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Eran Hammer-Lahav
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Skylar Woodward
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Draft -12 feedback deadline Torsten Lodderstedt