Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-mtls-07

Brian Campbell <bcampbell@pingidentity.com> Mon, 30 April 2018 21:20 UTC

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From: Brian Campbell <bcampbell@pingidentity.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 15:19:58 -0600
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To: Neil Madden <neil.madden@forgerock.com>
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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] WGLC on draft-ietf-oauth-mtls-07
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On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Neil Madden <neil.madden@forgerock.com>
wrote:

>
> > On 30 Apr 2018, at 15:07, John Bradley <ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com> wrote:
>
> > My concern is that people will see a bigger number and decide it is
> better if we define it in the spec.
> > We may be getting people to do additional work and increasing token size
> without a good reason by putting it in the spec directly.
>
> I’m not sure why this is a concern. As previously pointed out, SHA-512 is
> often *faster* than SHA-256, and an extra 32 bytes doesn’t seem worth
> worrying about.
>

Seems like maybe it's worth noting that with JWT, where size can be a
legitimate constraint, those extra bytes end up being base64 encoded
twice.

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