Re: [Openpgp-dt] Resurrecting the design team?

[Stephen Farrell <[e-mail]>]

Hi Justus,

(I'll skip over details of MRs etc to process in this mail.)

On 27/09/2022 13:24, Justus Winter wrote:

> The OpenPGP WG mailing list has proven again to be unsuitable to get any
> work done. 

I agree that the DT was productive and can be again in
future, but don't think this is the time to reactivate
it. (Mainly for the reasons Paul W. stated but also as
we need to resolve the current thread on the WG list.)

It can be hard to deal with IETF WG lists yes. But that's
really a cost of being open, so has to be borne, even if
it's a real pain from time to time.

> This is an endless drain of energy.  We need to address that
> at some point.  Maybe close the working group and open a new one with a
> different name.  Maybe just kick everybody and see who rejoins.
> 
> Is there precedent in other working groups?  E.g., are the TLS people
> having problems with people clinging to SHA1 and dismissing AEAD as
> pointless?  Are there threads on the MLS WG list that have 150+ mails in
> them from random strangers bringing the WG work to a grinding halt?

There's no precedent for closing a list like that, for that
reason. The have been times when TLS was significantly side-
tracked, and those were worse believe it or not, but the WG
did manage to get through that, albeit with some effort.

> The DT was the most successful attempt of getting anywhere since I have
> started working in this space.  I welcome and support the motion to
> reinstate it.

Ack. I think there will come a time when that's the right
thing to do, but it'd not, IMO, be the correct approach
right now.

Cheers,
S.

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> Best,
> Justus
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