IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: [openpgp] saltpack on OpenPGP message format problems

"Neal H. Walfield" <neal@walfield.org> Wed, 10 February 2016 19:54 UTC

Return-Path: <neal@walfield.org>
X-Original-To: openpgp@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: openpgp@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9781B2F35 for <openpgp@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:54:29 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.551
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YS34sRoLCYys for <openpgp@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:54:28 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail.dasr.de (mail.dasr.de [217.69.77.164]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084371B2F2F for <openpgp@ietf.org>; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:54:27 -0800 (PST)
Received: from p5ddfa629.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([93.223.166.41] helo=mail.huenfield.org) by mail.dasr.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from <neal@walfield.org>) id 1aTaqD-0005CS-Tf; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 19:54:22 +0000
Received: from grit.huenfield.org ([192.168.20.253]) by mail.huenfield.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <neal@walfield.org>) id 1aTaqC-0006hf-HG; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:54:21 +0100
Received: from ip6-localhost.huenfield.org ([::1] helo=grit.huenfield.org.walfield.org) by grit.huenfield.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from <neal@walfield.org>) id 1aTaqB-0003OL-D7; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:54:19 +0100
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:54:19 +0100
Message-ID: <87egckbatw.wl-neal@walfield.org>
From: "Neal H. Walfield" <neal@walfield.org>
To: Stephen Paul Weber <singpolyma@singpolyma.net>
In-Reply-To: <20160210160641.GA3090@singpolyma-liberty>
References: <56BB0308.8020504@iang.org> <20160210160641.GA3090@singpolyma-liberty>
User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (Gojō) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/24.5 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO)
MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue")
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.20.253
X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: neal@walfield.org
X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 17:06:47 +0000)
X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mail.huenfield.org)
Archived-At: <http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/openpgp/GD5LkNsewhskXF1HWXSHf-LhjNA>
Cc: openpgp@ietf.org, ianG <iang@iang.org>
Subject: Re: [openpgp] saltpack on OpenPGP message format problems
X-BeenThere: openpgp@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Ongoing discussion of OpenPGP issues." <openpgp.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/openpgp>, <mailto:openpgp-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/openpgp/>
List-Post: <mailto:openpgp@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:openpgp-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/openpgp>, <mailto:openpgp-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 19:54:29 -0000

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 17:06:41 +0100,
Stephen Paul Weber wrote:
> >       4. PGP ASCII armor isn't friendly to modern apps and phones.
> 
> Couldn't we just say "PGP is binary, encode however you like"?  In
> email we have transport encodings, and so do most other reasonable
> places.  The only real use for ASCII armor anymore is in "clearsign"
> context when posting a plain text file that contains the signature,
> etc.

I disagree.  If you are being really paranoid, then you don't want to
use OpenPGP from an email client.  Instead, you write your message
using something like vi, encrypt it from the command line, and then
copy and paste the result into your mail client.  Then you are certain
that your mail was encrypted and that you don't accidentally send an
unencrypted draft, etc.

:) Neal

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email