Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header
Andrew Gallagher <andrewg@andrewg.com> Tue, 08 August 2023 10:40 UTC
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From: Andrew Gallagher <andrewg@andrewg.com>
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2023 11:40:10 +0100
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Subject: Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header
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On 8 Aug 2023, at 11:25, Wiktor Kwapisiewicz <wiktor=40metacode.biz@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > Having been on the receiving end of the "no can do" advice with this mailing list not once, not twice I'd encourage Kai to try it out anyway and see the real-world impact of his solution first-hand. I’d be more conservative than this - I’m not going to say “don’t do it”, but I would recommend to draw up the pros and cons first before implementation, because everything is a balance of cost and benefit - and those who pay the cost are not always those who benefit (which is how we got here in the first place). We have a specific concern raised, which is that it might break forwarding. So how would this be addressed? A
- [openpgp] Combining signature with signer's publi… Kai Engert
- Re: [openpgp] Combining signature with signer's p… vedaal
- Re: [openpgp] Combining signature with signer's p… brian m. carlson
- Re: [openpgp] Combining signature with signer's p… Wiktor Kwapisiewicz
- Re: [openpgp] Combining signature with signer's p… Kai Engert
- Re: [openpgp] Combining signature with signer's p… Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Combining signature with signer's p… holger krekel
- Re: [openpgp] Combining signature with signer's p… Neal H. Walfield
- Re: [openpgp] Combining signature with signer's p… Neal H. Walfield
- Re: [openpgp] Combining signature with signer's p… Hanno Böck
- Re: [openpgp] Combining signature with signer's p… Wiktor Kwapisiewicz
- Re: [openpgp] Combining signature with signer's p… Kai Engert
- Re: [openpgp] Combining signature with signer's p… Wiktor Kwapisiewicz
- Re: [openpgp] Combining signature with signer's p… Neal H. Walfield
- Re: [openpgp] Combining signature with signer's p… Neal H. Walfield
- [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Neal H. Walfield
- Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Kai Engert
- Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Bart Butler
- Re: [openpgp] key distribution by email strategy Heiko Schaefer
- Re: [openpgp] key distribution by email strategy Vincent Breitmoser
- Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Kai Engert
- Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Kai Engert
- Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Wiktor Kwapisiewicz
- Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Wiktor Kwapisiewicz
- Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Andrew Gallagher
- Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Wiktor Kwapisiewicz
- Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Kai Engert
- Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Bart Butler
- Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Andrew Gallagher
- Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Kai Engert
- Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Kai Engert
- Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Bart Butler
- Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Andrew Gallagher
- [openpgp] key distribution by email strategy Kai Engert
- Re: [openpgp] key distribution by email strategy Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] key distribution by email strategy Andrew Gallagher
- Re: [openpgp] key distribution by email strategy Kai Engert
- Re: [openpgp] key distribution by email strategy Steffen Nurpmeso
- Re: [openpgp] key distribution by email strategy Steffen Nurpmeso
- Re: [openpgp] key distribution by email strategy John Scott
- Re: [openpgp] key distribution by email strategy Steffen Nurpmeso
- Re: [openpgp] Put Signature in an Email's Header Bart Butler